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If you have ever read the Communist Manifesto what they teach as socialism is not the same as what happened in Russia or even China. It is a good system but as politics go, people screw it up. Always. Capitalism has become too greedy. Socialism somehow ended up totalitarian. In America we tend to view capitalism like what they have in Russia. I like how it is done in some European countries where everyone has a job, can go to college, has medical care provided, etc.
I didn't know that you were an atheist Montana? (Maybe I read it wrong. I am real tired and need to do something other than the computer. Too much yard work today too.)
Oh yes, I'm one of die hard atheists.
You know speaking of China and it's political system, it has to be one of the most unusual situations in the entire world. Officially they're a communist nation but they clearly recognized that it wasn't working and now they're every bit as capitalistic as we are and yet they're still a dictatorship and not a democracy. There's a quickly growing middle class and people are buying cars and all of the stuff that we buy but they have a history of abusing human rights just as Russia does and neither country was able to create the utopian society in which everyone was equal and shared the prosperity. I think the most successful nations that could be called socialist are in western Europe in places like Sweden.
[quote=Mattie Jo;7975336]If you have ever read the Communist Manifesto what they teach as socialism is not the same as what happened in Russia or even China. It is a good system but as politics go, people screw it up. Always. Capitalism has become too greedy. Socialism somehow ended up totalitarian. In America we tend to view capitalism like what they have in Russia. I like how it is done in some European countries where everyone has a job, can go to college, has medical care provided, etc.
sorry to spoil your late vision: it used to be so .... guess why it had to change, and not for the better???
If you have ever read the Communist Manifesto what they teach as socialism is not the same as what happened in Russia or even China. It is a good system but as politics go, people screw it up. Always. Capitalism has become too greedy. Socialism somehow ended up totalitarian.
Yes, I agree. When you consider some of the individuals who had absolute authority such as Stalin did in Russia it becomes apparent that society can't be efficiently run by a single individual. It takes the skills and talents of many different people in a variety of job responsibilities in order to be successful and the dictatorship model of government always ends up as an internal struggle against rivals for power. That's when the atrocities tend to occur.
Yes, I agree. When you consider some of the individuals who had absolute authority such as Stalin did in Russia it becomes apparent that society can't be efficiently run by a single individual. It takes the skills and talents of many different people in a variety of job responsibilities in order to be successful and the dictatorship model of government always ends up as an internal struggle against rivals for power. That's when the atrocities tend to occur.
montana, the post you replied to was mattie jo's.
yet let me get to this reasoning here, (politically) correct as it sure is.
how come this type of societal organisation cannot be eradicated, let alone avoided altogether up to this day? don't we all know better?
yet let me get to this reasoning here, (politically) correct as it sure is.
how come this type of societal organisation cannot be eradicated, let alone avoided altogether up to this day? don't we all know better?
Oh, you're right, I got my posts mixed up. As far as eradicating any political system look what happened when we tried to create a new political system for Iraq. There's alot of nations like North Korea whose economies and political systems are basket cases but the only means of getting rid of them is going to war and often wars end up with circumstances that are just as bad or worse than they were in the first place. I'm afraid that there's no easy answers.
colossus, Montana, Tricky, your questions will honour your debating skills with titles such as "advocatus diaboli" while the masses' daily experiences are eroding whatever little hope still left after the atrocities of the 20th century.
we can go on forever leaving it to experts telling us what to do etc. psychology seems to act as some sort of pacifier when concluding our experiences are just the "human condition"...
imho one does not have to be a "christian", but the teachings of Jesus (Christ) when really and truly understood are - simply are - the (state of) consciousness rendering whatever politically and economically inspired societal organisation a foul compromise so long as it will not be truthful and just and grant even the least of "brothers and sisters" (yes!) a fair chance to contribute to individual and collective wellbeing and prosperity.
the early christians imho were not only relying on apostles spreading good news but did as well connecting with very ancient communications and organizing traditions prevalent in all ancient cultures (if only to privileged ones or not) and imho given little attention in written accounts and even by modern day science. (prove me wrong, i could be.)
a chain is as good as its weakest link. guess my weakness is being hopelessly naive.
here we go. some of us do know better, without wanting to become dictators.
colossus, Montana, Tricky, your questions will honour your debating skills with titles such as "advocatus diaboli" while the masses' daily experiences are eroding whatever little hope still left after the atrocities of the 20th century.
D could also stand for dictator or devil's advocate.
Or the Devil himself.
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a chain is as good as its weakest link. guess my weakness is being hopelessly naive.
Just don’t blame me for you wanting to be hopelessly naïve.
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Yes.
D could also stand for dictator or devil's advocate.
Just don’t blame me for you wanting to be hopelessly naïve.
