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Old 04-30-2009, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Brussels, Belgium
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probabilities occur in certain instances as a coincident. Some dreams are not coincident
How can you tell the difference?
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obviously when you use a formal large assembly you can change that factor, but it isn't changing the mathematical law?
There are no mathematical "laws". What we have are axioms, which are unproven, unprovable assertions (ex: the axioms of Euclidean geometry) that are assumed to be true. And yes, axioms can be changed. Since they are unprovable and not based upon reality or anything like that, there is no rational basis to decide that one set of axioms is "better" than another. Just because one is taught in schools (and is more instinctively understood by humans) and the others are only taught in university does not mean one is "right".

Scientific laws and theories are only modified when new evidence contradicts them. Changing axioms to see what it does is what mathematicians do for a living .
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If water is composed of the same particles as steam/vapor and ice, that for a fact will never change and that is the true scientific law, thats because that law is not inventory but it is still science, can you scientifically change that law?
Yes you could, if it became necessary. In science, nothing is fixed, everything may change as new evidence is uncovered. Though it is now rather unlikely, it is possible that we realize we were completely wrong about the different states of water.
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:51 AM
 
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With regard to what the sleeper sees in his sleep, it falls into three categories: good dreams which come from Allaah; bad dreams which come from the shaytaan; and what a person is thinking about.
Good dreams are those in which the sleeper sees good things; they come from Allaah. They may be meant as good news, or warning against evil, or helping and guiding. It is Sunnah to praise Allaah for them and to tell one’s loved ones, but not others, about them.

Bad dreams are those in which the sleeper sees bad things; they come from the shaytaan. It is Sunnah to seek refuge with Allaah from them and to spit to the left three times, and not to talk about them, but if a person does that it will not harm him. It is also mustahabb to turn onto one’s other side, and to pray two rak’ahs.

It may be that what one sees is not a dream of either of these two types, rather it stems from what one is thinking about. This is called confused dreams and it stems from events and fears stored in the memory and subconscious, which are replayed during sleep. For example, a man who works in a certain profession and spends all day working in that field, and before he goes to sleep he thinks about it, so he may see things having to do with it in his dream; or one who thinks about someone whom he loves and sees things that have to do with that person. There is no interpretation for these things.

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“Towards the end of time, hardly any dream of a Muslim will be false. The ones who have the truest dreams will be those who are truest in speech. The dream of a Muslim is one of the forty-five parts of Prophethood. Dreams are of three types: a good dream which is glad tidings from Allaah, a dream from the Shaytaan which causes distress, and a dream that comes from what a man is thinking of to himself…”

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The meaning of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “The dreams of the believer are one of the forty-six parts of Prophethood” is that the dreams of the believer come true, because they are like parables that the angel gives to the one who sees them. They may tell of something that is happening or that is going to happen, so it happens in accordance with the dream, so these dreams are like the wahy of Prophethood in that they come true, yet they are different from it. Hence they are one of the forty-six parts of Prophethood. Islam QA - Different types of dreams; is there any kind of warning dream?
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:02 AM
 
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the science you know is it truly science? i know the true science that never change, here is a scientific logic 1+1 will always be 2 no matter what no change there.
Yes, it is truly science. As far as your complaint that "true science" would never change, what a load of crap that is! Science is about learning new things, improving our understanding of the universe, and changing what we think when we find inconsistencies or inaccuracies. Science is about advancement and knowledge. If it never changed, those of us who rely on it and believe in it would be just as stagnant and obsolete as those of you who believe in mythical gods and religions. We'd still be thinking that the universe revolves around the earth and that the earth is flat and that sickness is caused by demons rather than microbes, etc.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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Yes, it is truly science. As far as your complaint that "true science" would never change, what a load of crap that is! Science is about learning new things, improving our understanding of the universe, and changing what we think when we find inconsistencies or inaccuracies. Science is about advancement and knowledge. If it never changed, those of us who rely on it and believe in it would be just as stagnant and obsolete as those of you who believe in mythical gods and religions. We'd still be thinking that the universe revolves around the earth and that the earth is flat and that sickness is caused by demons rather than microbes, etc.
alright since scientist discover things does not mean science is changing, i think you contradicting yourself between discoveries and scientific law. the idea of a flat earth was actually introduced by evolutionist to make a mockery out of christianity. In the book of Job there is described as hanging in space, while in the book of Isaiah the earth is described as a sphere.

you also missing the point if you ever looked upon the horizon you can see the earth is shaped as a globe or you notice the curve. people like you argue about a book you have not read or understood. you probably lack scientific understanding apart from knowing what you have read from school text
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:31 AM
 
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jackdonekings, do you believe lightning strikes are God hitting the ground? Because this is what religious people believed before science came up with its own answer. What you're doing now is exactly what these religious people did: something strange occurred with which there was no available science answer at the time therefore you chalked it up to God. Just imagine in 500 years time people are going to look back and laugh that some people used to think their dreams were a sign from God when it was just the something-or-other effect.
no not really but some lightning have a spiritual connection, even the devil is capable of creating destruction by controlling the weather. i don't think people in 500 years from now will be laughing at christianity, rather be amused that nothing has evolved ever since the campaign of darwinism theory started. Are we observing or we just making these assumptions based on forge fossil collection?
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:10 AM
 
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the idea of a flat earth was actually introduced by evolutionist to make a mockery out of christianity.
Are you for real? Surely not. Tell me you're joking please! LOL That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!

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you also missing the point if you ever looked upon the horizon you can see the earth is shaped as a globe or you notice the curve. people like you argue about a book you have not read or understood. you probably lack scientific understanding apart from knowing what you have read from school text
Hey a little observation will also show you that the earth isn't the center of the universe, yet churches and religions and people believed and taught that for a long time too.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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the science you know is it truly science? i know the true science that never change, here is a scientific logic 1+1 will always be 2 no matter what no change there.
Please don't try to use logic to prove the illogical, it is insulting.

Sometimes you dream about everyday things, including death, birth, lottery numbers, fears, joys, etc...

Did the dream cause the above to happen, or did the above cause the dream to happen? Dreams are very vague, and most not recalled very well, we tend to fill in the facts.
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