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And if you believe Dr. James Ebert, or George Stephen would put their reputations on the line for a lie, I would have to believe your the one with the active imagination.
....or them!
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If all this was untrue, this would of been exposed as such a longtime ago.
...and if it was all true your ark would have been on show in one of the worlds great museums by now.
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Can you show us, where this was exposed as an obvious fraud?
I don't have to. It's for you to show that it isn't.
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If this is all nonsense, can you prove it? Or do you just dismiss historical facts based on your personal opinion?
Common sense alone should tell you that it's all nonsense. These ark sightings have been going on for hundreds of years yet nobody has been able to produce anything more than speculation and grainy photographs. Hogwash!
There have been many sightings of Noah's ark, including the following:
Berosus, ca. 275 B.C.E., reported remains of it in the mountains of the Gordyaeans in Armenia (p. 15).
Flavius Josephus mentions remains of the ark on Baris (16-17).
Several writers tell of St. Jacob of Medzpin, who persistently tried to climb Ararat. Angels commanded him to stop trying but brought him a plank from the ark (17-21).
Several accounts through history suggest that Armenians have knowledge of and wood from the ark (21-22).
In 1952, Harold Williams wrote a story told by Haji Yearam in 1916. According to the story, Yearam helped guide three scientists to the ark in 1856. Upon finding the ark sticking out of a glacier near the summit, the scientists flew into a rage and tried futilely to destroy it. Then they took an oath to keep the discovery a secret and murder anyone who revealed it. About 1918, Williams saw a newspaper article giving a scientist's deathbed confession, which corroborated Yearam's story (43-48).
In 1876, English explorer James Bryce found a four-foot long hand-tooled piece of wood on Ararat at the 13,000 feet level (51-55).
In 1883, a Turkish commission surveying Ararat for possible avalanche conditions found part of the ark protruding 20 or 30 feet from the foot of a glacier (56-58).
In 1887, on his third attempt to find the ark, Prince Nouri of Bhagdad found it on the higher peaks of Ararat (64-67).
In 1908 and again in 1910, a local Armenian, Georgie Hagopian, then just a boy, visited the ark with his uncle. The ark was on the edge of a cliff; its wood was like stone (69-72).
In 1916, a story by Vladimir Roskovitsky told how he and other Russian aviators sighted the ark, nearly intact, grounded on the shore of a lake on Ararat. An expedition reached the ark about a month later. Photographs and plans were sent to the czar, but the Bolsheviks overthrew the Czar a few days later, and the evidence was lost. Later testimony revealed that that account was 95 percent fiction, but other Russian soldiers have told of hearing of an expedition that discovered Noah's ark in 1917 (76-87).
Six Turkish soldiers climbed Ararat and saw the ark in 1916 (90-92).
A monestary at Echmiazin hosts a piece of wood reputedly from the ark (93-97).
While lost on Ararat in 1936, Hardwicke Knight found timbers of dark, soft wood (98-101).
Two American pilots saw the ark several times and once brought a photographer along. The photograph appeared in the Tunisian edition of Stars and Stripes in 1943. Many people remembered the article, but no copies remain (102-107).
Donald Liedmann met a Russian Air Force major in 1938 and 1943 who showed him pictures of the ark. It was mostly buried in a glacier. The photographs have never been released (109-112).
In 1948, a Kurdish farmer named Resit reported finding the prow of the ark about 2/3rds the way up Ararat, protruding from ice. The wood was black and too hard for him to cut off a piece (115-116).
A 1949 satellite photograph of the Western Plateau of Mt. Ararat shows an elongated box-like object which could be Noah's ark (Morris 2001).
In 1955, after two unsuccessful searches, Fernand Navarra found hand-hewn wood in the ice at the 13,750 foot level. He retrieved a small sample of the wood. However, even die-hard arkeologists suspect fraud. In 1969, small pieces of wood were found where Navarra directed people to dig. Again, fraud is suspected (129-134, 158-160).
George Green photographed the ark from a helicopter in 1953, but his pictures aroused no serious interest, and they are now lost (135-137).
The ERTS satellite photographed Noah's ark in 1973, but the satellite's resolution was insufficient (203-206).
The reports are inconsistent. The ark has been found in different places on the mountain (and on different mountains, if you include earlier accounts). Its condition varies from almost intact to broken in half to only isolated timbers. The character of the wood varies from too hard to cut to falling apart at a touch. Some accounts make it sound like local residents visited the ark routinely, while other accounts stress the hardships encountered.
Noah's ark is the sort of subject that people would tell stories about. Some people might be motivated by misplaced piety to make up stories. Some have been motivated by money. Others might elaborate a story simply to get attention. Since the ark story is so famous, some people might conclude they have found the ark on the basis of ambiguous evidence. For example, they might misinterpret a blurry photograph or a shape seen through fog, or they might conclude that any wood they find is from the ark, although wood has been carried up Ararat in historical times for building crosses and huts.
What the reports of ark sightings have in common is that none has been corroborated. Most have few if any witnesses. Photographs and newspaper articles disappear, sometimes inexplicably, or they are too vague to be meaningful. Physical evidence either is not retrieved, is faked, or comes from recent wood carried up the mountain. They have the appearance of fables, not fact.
George Stephen who is a 30 year veteran of satellite photo interpretation, had his sighting corroborated by Robin Simmons, George Adams, and Ahmet Ali Arslan. Stephen gave his GPS numbers to this group of men and they went to Ararat in 1989 to locate what Stephen saw on the satellite photo. It was Ahmet who actually took the picture confirming that high up on Ararat is a large manmade object. You can see Ahmet's photo on page 5 of the link below. Yet even before Ahmet went there, George Stephen the satellite photo interpretation specialist had already state, that based on the satellite images, he was hundred precent sure that the object in question was man-made.
Noah's Ark Photos and Information (http://www.fellowshipinhislove.com/Noahsarkphotos.html - broken link)
So it's on the very tip of a mountain.....and there is water rushing underneath it. Fascinating!!
You have been well and truly duped mate!
Well, of course you ignore all accounts, yet what evidence can you present that confirms your belief?
Ed Davis stated that when he was close to the Ark, he could see water running under it. And that was back in 1943. Now, 46 years later, Ahmet is telling us the samething in his account. Of course Ahmet was able to locate the Ark using the GPS numbers given to him by George Stephen., the satellite photo specialist.
You see, if all you have is your personal opinion, you really don't add much to the conversation here. That's why it's good to present historical facts. And if these historical facts can be disputed, well then, we all can learn something here.
If you make your mind up before you look at facts, as Campbell34 has, you will accept anything proposed as facts to support your beliefs, whether they are real facts, skewed facts, speculation, or flat-out lies, and there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind.
If you make your mind up before you look at facts, as Campbell34 has, you will accept anything proposed as facts to support your beliefs, whether they are real facts, skewed facts, speculation, or flat-out lies, and there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind.
The laughable thing is that they love to refer to themselves as 'seekers of Truth' (capital 'T' for extra effect). The reality of course, is that they are not the least bit interested in 'truth'. All they are interested in is finding anything that will support their a priori idea of what the truth is. Anything that doesn't support it is rejected, whether it's true or not. Quite extraordinary!!
And people see jeezus and the virgin mary in water stains, french toast, potato chips, etc.. The delusional will see what every their delusions tell them to, or more likely the leaders of their cult leaders tell them to believe the see.
Well, of course you ignore all accounts, yet what evidence can you present that confirms your belief?
Ed Davis stated that when he was close to the Ark, he could see water running under it. And that was back in 1943. Now, 46 years later, Ahmet is telling us the samething in his account. Of course Ahmet was able to locate the Ark using the GPS numbers given to him by George Stephen., the satellite photo specialist.
You see, if all you have is your personal opinion, you really don't add much to the conversation here. That's why it's good to present historical facts. And if these historical facts can be disputed, well then, we all can learn something here.
This is all a bit familiar. I have looked at the evidence presented, particularly the photos. If you have better ones by allmeans show them. On present evidence they contradict each other as well as appear doubtful.
You response is to restate the claims and wag this photo analyser's credentials and expect us to accept all your claims - not his, yours.Since you go along way further that he does.
I don't know what you want - you can't possibly expect us to accept that when you won't accept evolution which has much better evidence. You will say we are shutting our eyes to facts. So what's the point in keep on saying the same tape loop? If you have any better evidence, present it.
I shall look in to see what develops but I shan't try to persuade you that better evidence is needed than anecdotes, fuzzy photos and an expert's opinion that it looks like there may be a man -made object up there.
So are you telling us Robin Simmons and George Adams, who were Ahmet's climbing companions, and George Stephen the 30 year veteran photo interpretation specialist, and Dr. James Ebert who is a highly regarded forenisc archaelolgist that examined Ahmet's photos under high resolution process
Quick answer, yes. Have you any evidence in hand, presentable for review by the general scientific community stating otherwise? Or just someone elses opinion and unreadable photos?
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And stated that the images look strikingly man-made, and not part of the natural landscape.
And photos of aliens look just as real, have been stated to be real, yet have been proven to be false. Bit of a quandary for you, there.
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And not to forget, Ed Davis. All these and so many more, are you suggesting they are all bold face liars?
You use the term liar, being so familiar with it. I would say that they are mistaken or misreading what you call evidence.
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These accounts have been well documented. And these accounts have nothing to do with my opinion.
These accounts have been documented in your opinion. Equally, in the opinion of scores of others they have been discounted. So it has everything to do with your opinion, you just can't admit it without admitting that you don't know what you are talking about. Again.
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They are verifiable facts. Can you present any evidence to suggest that they are all lying?
The fact that they presented these opinions is verifiable. That they are the truth is not. Other than these opinions and your devotion to the myth of your buybull, can you supply any proof of their truth?
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