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Some of you have gone off on a tanjent - why don't you start a new thread about spirituality, truth, and the bible; it is not answering the original post.
The original post said that Jesus never said that he was god, I would assume that this would require a text or two from the bible.
I and the Father are one. I am in him, he is in me, I am in you.
I would agree that these passages do not show Jesus to be god.
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.
6There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.[b]
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
There is argument as to whether this tells us that Jesus was God; some say that it means 'a god'. It certainly doesn't say that he was YHWH. What it does state is that Jesus was present at the beginning of creation with god and that creation was made through him.
There are some passages that tell us that jesus didn't accept praise, showing that he wasn't god, and yet there are those which have him accepting being praised.
Whatever your view, I think that it is a point of Christianity which has never been exactly settled. Jesus, though, never said that we should pray to him and, being a human whilst he was on earth, he would never have said that he was god; he said that all glory should go to his father.
Jesus didn't teach intolerance. He didn't teach that one religion is better than another. He didn't teach unacceptance based on beliefs. He didn't teach others to bash someone because they don't adhere to the same beliefs.
Jesus taught Love, Kindness, Tolerance, Patience, Mercy and all that is Good. Wisdom is acquired by trials and errors and correction. I've done that. I've lived a life of nonacceptance, unkindness, impatience and intolerance. I've risen above that by forgiving those who did me wrong, those who made fun of me my whole life, those who beat me and molested me. I follow the teachings of Jesus because I'm a child of God and want to be at-one with Him. I don't do it for anyone but me.
To say the things you say to me is called intolerance. Might wanna practice what you're preaching once in a while.
NO, Jesus taught that He was the only Way, the Truth, and the Life. He is the only way to the Father, any other way, is a lie. He said that.
Jesus didn't teach on beliefs, He taught about Himself and His Gospel. People today are trying to go to God the way that Jesus said not too. That is the difference between what Jesus taught and what most believe.
Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
because God and Jesus not one , Jesus will not know the Hour !!! this confession that he have a limit ..and He(jesus) and the God have not the same power,authority
Jesus did, in fact, say that He and His Father were "one." He did not mean that they were one physical entity. Haven't you ever seen a wedding greeting card that expresses the sentiment, "Now you two are one"? A husband and wife who are truly "one" are united in the goals they set and the kind of life they want to build together. That doesn't mean that they have merged into a single being.
To me it is entirely possible to reconcile the fact that the Father and the Son are "one" and yet that the Father is greater than the Son. Jesus acknowledged his Father as his "God." He said that everything He said or did was according to His Father's will.
27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." 28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
Observe that Thomas calls Jesus his God, and that Jesus does not reprove him for it, though probably it was the first time he was called so. And, I would ask, could Jesus be jealous of the honour of the true God-could he be a prophet-could he be even an honest man, to permit his disciple to indulge in a mistake so monstrous and destructive, if it had been one?
He's a Creator Son. He rules over our universe, however, He is not God. God is alone and no one is beside Him. We can be like Him but never Him. Just as Jesus can be like Him but never Him.
I personally find it much easier to understand scripture when it is placed in the context of the traditional family: father, mother, son, daughter.
We call God "Father" because He is literally the father of our spirit bodies. The spirit body of Jesus was created/organized by God the Father the same as we were, except that Jesus was Father's firstborn spirit child.
So, in the context of family, Jesus can be LIKE the Father in every way including appearance, and can share the same mission and purpose as the Father (in effect being of 'one mind'), but like an earthly son who grew up to be like his dad, took over the family business complete with dad's name and title, Jesus will never BE God the Father.
I personally fail to understand why there is so much confusion about the nature of God the Father unless it's because so many sincere Christians are told that they must believe confusing manmade creeds and doctrines that turn Heavenly Father into some kind of "incomprehensible" something with two other persons somehow mysteriously/magically blended into one.
goo goo g'joob! - nice one fred314x Whoever said that song was supposed to be meaningless; it's so obvious that Lennon was stating his view that jesus was god. Like some of the posters on here, though, he clouded his argument. His belief in a priesthood consisting of a pornographic priestess, an elementary penguin singing hari krishna, brought much opposition from the anglican church, performing it, as he did, during the 'holy communion' at his local chapel.
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I personally find it much easier to understand scripture when it is placed in the context of the traditional family: father, mother, son, daughter.
We call God "Father" because He is literally the father of our spirit bodies. The spirit body of Jesus was created/organized by God the Father the same as we were, except that Jesus was Father's firstborn spirit child.
So, in the context of family, Jesus can be LIKE the Father in every way including appearance, and can share the same mission and purpose as the Father (in effect being of 'one mind'), but like an earthly son who grew up to be like his dad, took over the family business complete with dad's name and title, Jesus will never BE God the Father.
I personally fail to understand why there is so much confusion about the nature of God the Father unless it's because so many sincere Christians are told that they must believe confusing manmade creeds and doctrines that turn Heavenly Father into some kind of "incomprehensible" something with two other persons somehow mysteriously/magically blended into one.
I agree. We have the means and ways to become like our parent and still not be our parent. Jesus opened that door and now it's only up to us if we want to follow. The more love we have for ourselves and each other, the further we get inside that door and make it to the other side. Through Love, we can all become like our Father/Mother/Brother/Sister, however we want to look at it. Personally, I see God as my Father and Jesus the Big Brother leading me back to where I came. In that context, Jesus is God the human and Big Brother and never God the Father. (Did that even make sense? Seems I missed something. Oh well. I'll think on it)
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