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Old 01-30-2010, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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It is not a ridiculous story at all. It is your position which is ridiculous. Jesus Christ Himself confirmed the Mosaic account of the flood and that of Noah's ark (Matthew 24). The evidence bears the fact up.

Water ripple marks in the mountains of Germany:


Marine life near the summit of Mt. Everest:


Polystrate fossils revealing trees extending through several 'million yrs' of geologic strata. Trees that could not possibly have stood for that long without rotting and going back to the earth.

This is a clear indication of rapid burial for biological life will not fail to deteriorate and return to the soil from which it came in just a few years.


Fossil fish in the Alps:


Millions of fossils of both land and marine life all over the world indicating rapid burial under cataclysmic conditions:


Many fossils found were in the act of (a) giving birth, or (b) eating other marine life:




But this is just a sampling of what I could post as far as the evidence for a universal deluge as mentioned in the Bible. It's there all right but the skeptics live in denial.
A quick geology course would answer your questions. Orogenesis anyone?

 
Old 01-30-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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It is not a ridiculous story at all. It is your position which is ridiculous. Jesus Christ Himself confirmed the Mosaic account of the flood and that of Noah's ark (Matthew 24).
Ahh yes, how impressive - a fictional character from a fantasy novel CONFIRMS the accounts in the previous fantasy novel it was written as a sequal to.


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Water ripple marks in the mountains of Germany:
Obviously ripple marks from a calm shoreline or shallow sea, not a tumultuous global flood.

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Marine life near the summit of Mt. Everest:
Solid evidence for continental uplift.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.htm (broken link)


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Polystrate fossils revealing trees extending through several 'million yrs' of geologic strata. Trees that could not possibly have stood for that long without rotting and going back to the earth.

This is a clear indication of rapid burial for biological life will not fail to deteriorate and return to the soil from which it came in just a few years.
CC331: Polystrate fossils and deposition
CC363: Requirements for fossilization


Rapid burial happens all the time around the world. This is hardly evidence of a global flood.



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Fossil fish in the Alps:
Again
CC364: Marine fossils on mountains



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Millions of fossils of both land and marine life all over the world indicating rapid burial under cataclysmic conditions:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC362.html
CC363: Requirements for fossilization

It doesn't indicate any such thing. You will also not find marine and land life in the same layer, which would be the case in the event of a singe, catastrophic global flood.


For further dekunking of the flood myth, see:

Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd edition

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Old 01-30-2010, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Not to mention that a number of cultures--not just the Christians, have a "Flood" story.
....and not to mention that a number of cultures/civilisations such as the Egyptians and Chinese amongst others, appear to have survived your Noah's flood.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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Not to mention that a number of cultures--not just the Christians, have a "Flood" story.
Including interestingly enough the Mesopotamians, who's flood story predates Noah's flood by about a thousand years and which is the obvious source of the Biblical tall tale.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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Including interestingly enough the Mesopotamians, who's flood story predates Noah's flood by about a thousand years and which is the obvious source of the Biblical tall tale.
It's true that the Mesopotamian story predates the Biblical account. Yet it is equally true that the Mesopotaimian story places the Ark on the wrong mountain. Most Ark sightings from the past, and today place Noah's Ark on the Biblical Mt. Ararat.

Noah's Ark Has Been Found! (http://www.godswayisbetter.info/Noahsarkfound.html - broken link)
 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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A quick geology course would answer your questions. Orogenesis anyone?
I had geology in college. I taught science for 26 yrs.

The argument not only stands true there is so very much more than what I posted.

There is no honest answer to what was posted except that the flood happened, the evidence supports it and Jesus Christ affirmed it. End of argument.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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There is no honest answer to what was posted except that the flood happened, the evidence supports it and Jesus Christ affirmed it. End of argument.
What about the civilisations that appear to have survived it?
 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:34 AM
 
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Ahh yes, how impressive - a fictional character from a fantasy novel CONFIRMS the accounts in the previous fantasy novel it was written as a sequal to.

Neither Moses nor Jesus Christ told tall tales. The only tall tale in this argument is in your imagination...and in the imagination of those who agree with your foolishness.

Obviously ripple marks from a calm shoreline or shallow sea, not a tumultuous global flood.

Ripple marks have been found at high elevation all over the world.

Solid evidence for continental uplift.

Give the names of the observers that entire land masses folded over other entire land masses. The only one that ever saw that was Noah.

Rapid burial happens all the time around the world. This is hardly evidence of a global flood.

Yes, it is. IT is excellent evidence, especially the polystrate fossils and the organisms that were crushed in the act of (a) eating other fish (b) giving birth, or (c) fighting with each other.

There's much, much more. More than you can handle:

Like:

These animals were instantly buried while fighting each other. They didn't even see what was coming upon them. Exactly what one would expect under catastrophic conditions as described by Moses in Genesis concerning the great flood.

More ripple marks at high elevation in Utah. Exactly what creationists expect because the Bible says water covered the entire world in the destruction of the flood of Noah.


This is a fossil of a leaf embedded in varves. Varves supposedly support the evolutionary theory. But how? Did this leaf lay there for years without deteriorating? No way. The varves were laid down quickly.


It doesn't indicate any such thing. You will also not find marine and land life in the same layer, which would be the case in the event of a singe, catastrophic global flood.

The evidence is there but like I once was, you are brainwashed to see things otherwise. You better wise up. Evolution is a myth and so is any geology based on that ridiculous theory.


For further dekunking of the flood myth, see:

There is no 'debunking' of the flood of Noah because it is the truth about what really happened to our world in ages past. The people at talk/origins are liars.


Amen.
 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:43 AM
 
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What about the civilisations that appear to have survived it?
There were none. All human beings came from Noah's family and descendants.

Check out historian Bill Coopers book in which he traces the nobility of Europe family lineage back to the time of Noah and documents it from their own records.

 
Old 01-30-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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...is this an actual debate...
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