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Originally Posted by stretch00
That is a bit testy. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. But I am not stating opinion, I am relating scientific fact. You may choose to ignore that, but it does not change the actual fact.
Did you catch the edit comment at the bottom of my post? I didn't realize the word "not" was slipped in there until I proofread my post. My mistake, and I apologize. I didn't mean to sound "testy".
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Originally Posted by stretch00
No, sorry. Your thought does not qualify as a hypothesis, because it does not actually explain any "facts or phenomena."
Rather you are proposing something to try and fit a preconceived notion, namely that of a literal 6 day (of some length) creation.
Stretch, READ the definition of "hypothesis" again. Sheesh. A hypothesis, by definition, does NOT explain a fact. A hypothesis is a CONCEPT which, IF verified, COULD explain.......
I am NOT going rounds with you on this subject all night, with you constantly trying to throw me off by nitpicking my posts. I'm sorry you have some "preconceived" notion that God doesn't exist, but as I've stated before, you CANNOT prove He doesn't. Simply because you can't OBSERVE Him does NOT mean He isn't there. For all we know, there is intelligent life that exists somewhere OUTSIDE our known universe, but you CANNOT prove it doesn't exist simply because you don't see it. I'm done going back and forth with you.
NOW you can accuse me of sounding testy.
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Out of curiosity, what term would you apply to the "time" before the Big Bang?
Einstein proved that time was much different than anyone could have imagined. It's not an ongoing function that happens in the absence of everything else. Before the big bang there was no time because nothing existed. I'll be the first to admit that we're completely clueless about what process could have caused the big bang and explain the beginnings of the universe. I don't know if that's something we'll ever be able to determine and we might not even be able to comprehend it. We do know something about the nature of time though and can rule out the idea of a time before the big bang.
Did you catch the edit comment at the bottom of my post? I didn't realize the word "not" was slipped in there until I proofread my post. My mistake, and I apologize. I didn't mean to sound "testy".
No, as when I replied you had not yet edited your post. As evidence by my quoting your original, unedited post.
That being said, sounds like a misunderstanding, apology accepted, and offered in return.
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Originally Posted by WCRob
Stretch, READ the definition of "hypothesis" again. Sheesh. A hypothesis, by definition, does NOT explain a fact. A hypothesis is a CONCEPT which, IF verified, COULD explain.......
Definitions, by their very nature, are supposed to be nitpicky. You are right: A hypothesis is a CONCEPT which, IF verified, COULD explain....... But, you are missing the fact or observation that your hypothesis is supposed to explain. The observation must come first, then develop the hypothesis to explain it. You have not yet had an observation.
If nothing existed prior to the Big Bang, then what...banged?
One hypothesis for the banging has to do with quantum theory. Apparently subatomic particles appear and disapper pretty much for no reason. They simply do not follow Newtonian physics.
So, given the fact that nothing existed for an infinite amount of time (although nothing actually happened in that time, so the word time is not entirely accurate), apparently something just sort of went bang. For no reason. Just like subatomic particles, but apparently on a larger scale.
Thus the universe started.
Now, I have no proof from this, and my understanding is extremely amateurish. I will not be be able to defend this to any extent, as I do not have a degree in physics and do not understand the theoretical math behind it. I am not even going to say that this is what I think happened. I truly do not know.
But I am ok with admitting my ignorance on this matter.
Suffice it to say that something probably banged, as we are here, and all evidence seems to point to a universe that had an origin some 14 billion years ago or so.
On this we definitely agree. 'Day' is such a broad term in the bible. Sometimes it refers to a 24 hour day, sometimes a generation of people ('in the days of those kings'), or an indefinite ammount of time (such as 'the day of the Lord').
Day = yôm in Hebrew. Yes, it can be interpreted, based on context, to be more than a 24-hour period of time. The key is context. When you use yôm with the defining words for 'morning' and 'evening' it always means just one, 24-hour day. This happens 19 times outside of Genesis and each time it means a literal, 24-hour period. Hebrew language scholars at Oxford agree that reading Genesis 1-11 in the manner in which it is written, the writer conveyed yôm to mean a literal, 24-hour day based solely on the text as written, not brining in what you believe it to mean. In Deuteronomy, when God is explaining that man shall work for 6 days and rest on the Sabbath (7th day), this is in direct correlation to creation week. In Genesis a day means a day, not long ages.
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Originally Posted by alicenavada
The bible says also that a 'day to Jehovah is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day'.
In this verse the context tells us it is not attempting to define what a day is. It is a simile. The context is explaining to us that God is outside time. He created time, so he is beyond time. A day <to God> is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day <to God>.
Day = yôm in Hebrew. Yes, it can be interpreted, based on context, to be more than a 24-hour period of time. The key is context. When you use yôm with the defining words for 'morning' and 'evening' it always means just one, 24-hour day. This happens 19 times outside of Genesis and each time it means a literal, 24-hour period. Hebrew language scholars at Oxford agree that reading Genesis 1-11 in the manner in which it is written, the writer conveyed yôm to mean a literal, 24-hour day based solely on the text as written, not brining in what you believe it to mean. In Deuteronomy, when God is explaining that man shall work for 6 days and rest on the Sabbath (7th day), this is in direct correlation to creation week. In Genesis a day means a day, not long ages.
In this verse the context tells us it is not attempting to define what a day is. It is a simile. The context is explaining to us that God is outside time. He created time, so he is beyond time. A day <to God> is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day <to God>.
Doesn't matter if the day is 24 hours, a thousand years, or some other length of time.
It simply did not happen. Light did not exist before stars, man was not created as such, but rather evolved from other species.
And science has yet to prove evolution happened. Speciation within a kind, yes. Natural selection within kinds, yes. Evolution from goo-to-you-by-way-of-the-zoo? No, and it never will be. Because evolution is a framework of thought, not science. Operational science is science. Evolution is not operational science.
Quote from Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, physicist and Director of the Center for Education and Research in Cosmology and Astrophysics at Case Western Reserve University: "Evolution provides a remarkable framework within which the current diversity of life on earth can be understood."
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I really need to start remembering Psalm 14:1.
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for the banging has to do with quantum theory. Apparently subatomic particles appear and disapper pretty much for no reason. They simply do not follow Newtonian physics.
