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Old 06-19-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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They are one and the same, as far as I'm concerned. Marrying outside the faith is sad. It indicates that they don't take their faith seriously. It reallly doesn't matter if the person they're marrying is a different religion, or is an atheist -- it's that they don't share the thing that SHOULD be the most important thing in their lives.
Last time I checked, the thing that should be most important to a couple is each other. Religion or metaphysical beliefs are just one of many things they may or may not see entirely eye-to-eye on, and which may or may not be a stress point in the relationship.
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Rarely have I seen a marriage between a Christian and a non-Christian thrive, while the Christian maintains a strong faith. It just doesn't happen. It's incredibly sad to see a woman sitting alone in church, knowing her husband is at home in bed and he doesn't share that with her. Worse yet is when I see such a woman stop coming to church because it's just easier to stay in bed on Sunday morning because none of her family cares to come with her.
Guess it depends on how you define "thrive" and "maintains a strong faith". My guess is you would not care if a marriage was happy if both spouses were not stalwarts of your church or something equivalent. Because in your narrative, "happy marriage" comes from being enthusiastically and immersively involved in the correct faith. Not only are people incapable of having their own moral convictions or their own thoughtfully held beliefs; they are incapable of maintaining healthy relationships unless mediated by your church.

I'm curious how you explain people who are committed, involved evangelical fundamentalist Christians and still have marital difficulties. I'm sure that's all their fault somehow, though, and doesn't violate the claim that god will bless your marriage if you are both committed to god and his church.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well, it would be none of my business, but I hope my kids find smart people who haven't fallen for the organized religion hooha.

Spiritual or culturally religious is OK.

But anyone who truly believes word-for-word...uh, no.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Canada
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No, they are mutually exclusive in reality. You either (1) know God does not exist (you can word it as believes he does not exist and pretend to differentiate that from knowing but they are not discernible on the belief level, you can't believe something and also not know it - that's just a language game.

I'm off back to the food boards. Too many emotionally hyped people here.
Today my friend told me that on his way to work he saw 5 deer cross the road. I believe him but I do not know that it happened. So much for that hypothesis.

Hopefully conversations on the food board involve everyone agreeing with you all the time. You'll enjoy that more.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I just want my kids to be happy. My son (a non-practicing Mormon) is currently very serious with a non-practicing Hindu young woman. If they come to me one day and tell me they're engaged, I will be on cloud 9. If he were with the same girl but she were an atheist, I'd also be delighted to call her my daughter-in-law. In a perfect world, he and she would both be practicing Mormons, but hey, this isn't a perfect world.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I just want my kids to be happy. My son (a non-practicing Mormon) is currently very serious with a non-practicing Hindu young woman. If they come to me one day and tell me they're engaged, I will be on cloud 9. If he were with the same girl but she were an atheist, I'd also be delighted to call her my daughter-in-law. In a perfect world, he and she would both be practicing Mormons, but hey, this isn't a perfect world.
And thank whatever God you might hang your hat on for that.

Perfect isn't people-friendly.

Without struggle, there is no growth.
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Old 06-19-2015, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I just want my kids to be happy. My son (a non-practicing Mormon) is currently very serious with a non-practicing Hindu young woman. If they come to me one day and tell me they're engaged, I will be on cloud 9. If he were with the same girl but she were an atheist, I'd also be delighted to call her my daughter-in-law. In a perfect world, he and she would both be practicing Mormons, but hey, this isn't a perfect world.
I agree.... I don't care what religion my in-law is because if the kids are happy then I couldn't be happier!
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Old 06-19-2015, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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And thank whatever God you might hang your hat on for that.

Perfect isn't people-friendly.

Without struggle, there is no growth.
Without struggle, there is no growth is similar to my motto... rivalry of scholars advances wisdom.
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Old 06-20-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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The person who, outside your faith or is an atheist, is marrying your kid is also a rebellion of his/her own faith or believe system.
So there is something common in both of them.

For many parents, it's a hurtful and sad situation. For others, it's not.
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Old 06-20-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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The person who, outside your faith or is an atheist, is marrying your kid is also a rebellion of his/her own faith or believe system.
So there is something common in both of them.
Not so. Many faiths have no prohibition against marrying outside the faith, and atheism has no doctrine or dogma at all.

There are often practical difficulties, particularly if one person is very rigid or unaccomodating, but it is certainly possible to have a solid, loving, inter-faith marriage.

-NoCapo
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I just want my kids to be happy. My son (a non-practicing Mormon) is currently very serious with a non-practicing Hindu young woman. If they come to me one day and tell me they're engaged, I will be on cloud 9. If he were with the same girl but she were an atheist, I'd also be delighted to call her my daughter-in-law. In a perfect world, he and she would both be practicing Mormons, but hey, this isn't a perfect world.
My son is a practicing, converted Mormon. I'm wiccan. It was always his choice of what faith, or none, he found worked for him. I didn't make it to his wedding but because they moved it up and there was a mega winter storm which meant I couldn't get there. His wife is also Mormon and she's a very nice girl. My only provision when he told me he was converting to mormon was that he and anyone he marry fully respect that I am not and don't wish to be preached at.

I'm delighted that he had a wife who is smart and steady and that together they were smart enought to move where they got good jobs, and now really like it there. And they run the Boy scout troop for the youngest kids, and love that too. He thanked me for putting him in scouts.

I figure that as people get to be adults they will find what they need and then will settle into life and those who feel they broke some kind of rule in their choice because it was different are the ones that really lose.
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