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Old Yesterday, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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"...big funds."
that is exactly why
we will never know.
Never say Never....Crazy and good things do happen, [mod cut] -- never say never.

Here is a blog with MANY stories on Stem Cells/PRP for diseases and joints.

https://ipscell.com/2016/04/if-youve...ur-experience/

Regenerative Medicine is what it's called.

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Old Yesterday, 08:36 PM
 
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Never say Never....Crazy and good things do happen, [mod cut] -- never say never.

Here is a blog with MANY stories on Stem Cells/PRP for diseases and joints.

https://ipscell.com/2016/04/if-youve...ur-experience/

Regenerative Medicine is what it's called.
Both links in this thread indicate...very clearly..that this is still experimental....in other words...clinical trials..

Doesn’t mean anything til anything is tried with a control group...

Mayo Clinic wants cash BTW...

Second link was even more definitive as to the unproven nature...as in any treatment that has not undergone clinical trials..

Might work...might not

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Old Yesterday, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Both links in this thread indicate...very clearly..that this is still experimental....in other words...clinical trials..

Doesn’t mean anything til anything is tried with a control group...

Mayo Clinic wants cash BTW...

Second link was even more definitive as to the unproven nature...as in any treatment that has not undergone clinical trials..

Might work...might not
Oh, it's used all over the world and for many many years. Clinical trials???? I had the original work done in my shoulder and got 3 yrs pain free shoulder.

Surgery world doesn't want these injections as surgeons could lose a big part of their incomes. Rehabs could lose money, drug companies could lose money....with PRP/Stem Cells that's it, no rehabs, no drugs.
 
Old Yesterday, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Cleveland Clinic involved too in Regenerative Medicine.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/depar...t-preservation

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/s...pain-relief-2/

It's spreading everywhere. How can it be ignored.

The VA hospitals are using PRP/Stem Cells.

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Old Today, 06:37 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Had this discussion with my orthopedist. It's about six-grand for a knee, and insurance doesn't cover it. That usually ends the conversation.
 
Old Today, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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My bosses wife just had this done last week! Not covered under insurance as it is still considered experimental. Cost: $4,000. @Cleveland Clinic.

That would be worth it for me. I've seen too many people deal with healing afterward.
 
Old Today, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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It seems that the study was inconclusive because they didn't include any control subjects who should have received only saline injections in BOTH knees, because now they are thinking it might have helped both knees systemically, or was it just placebo effect??? I'm surprised that they overlooked this possibility in the design of the study from such a reputable hospital.
 
Old Today, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Surgery world doesn't want these injections as surgeons could lose a big part of their incomes. Rehabs could lose money, drug companies could lose money....with PRP/Stem Cells that's it, no rehabs, no drugs.
Disagree with this. That's a [expletive deleted] view of the medical world, I'm sorry. There is more then enough surgery in the word to keep surgeons in business. And plenty of people to prescribe drugs for...

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Old Today, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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I just find the fact that there have been no vigorously designed, peer reviewed clinical studies to show that stem cells can heal knee (or other joint) damage. If someone can point me to one, I'd love to see it.

This short article also doesn't state how the patients' improvement was observed. It doesn't mention pre- and post treatment imaging or the degree of improvement, other than the vague word "greatly improved". I'd like to see an abstract of this study to see the methodology because this short, poorly written article leaves us with no explicit conclusions.
 
Old Today, 08:24 AM
 
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The short article was just a press release from the public affairs office of Mayo.

The stem cell effectiveness debate has been going on for years - lots of anecdotal stories, many pushed by clinics offering the service, for a price, versus those doing controlled clinical studies. I find it curious, and informative, that NONE of the controlled clinical studies show any benefit. But that's no surprise if one understands the science (or lack of) behind these experiments.

And too often, the injections are harmful, whether bad technique or something else, I do not know.
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