The Ordinance (Jefferson, Rule, Edom: school, moving, catholics)

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by geargrinder70

. The bible is useless?

As a source of law, it is useless in this country which was founded upon the separation of church and state. It has NO place in our laws. A person may choose to use their interpretation of the bible to inform how they live their lives (provided that does not impact others in a negative manner). But the Bible must NOT be used to inform laws any more than the Koran, the teachings of Buddha, or any other religious beliefs.

Originally Posted by geargrinder70

So why do you fear what you do not believe in? .

I fear the manner in which people use such teachings - to deny others their basic human rights. I don't fear the Bible (and I know it well, I was raised with it and I don't dismiss it, I am a Christian by birth and belief), but I do fear the people who use it to harm others. Still, that's not the point. The very basis of this country was to avoid the oppression of one religion on another. You can't use the bible to create US law.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Spursrock

I never minded the gay community, never paid much attention to them, even though I believe against it. But all this crying and whining from the gays has really made me take a stand against them.

Change this to: "But all this crying and whining from the blacks has really made me take a stand against them"
Is this what you would have said 50 years ago when Dr King gave his speech?

Or to: "But all this crying and whining from the Calvinists has really made me take a stand against them" from 250 years ago when they left Europe to build a new country in America, free from religious oppression.

[geargrinder70]

Originally Posted by Chaka

As a source of law, it is useless in this country which was founded upon the separation of church and state. It has NO place in our laws. A person may choose to use their interpretation of the bible to inform how they live their lives (provided that does not impact others in a negative manner). But the Bible must NOT be used to inform laws any more than the Koran, the teachings of Buddha, or any other religious beliefs.



I fear the manner in which people use such teachings - to deny others their basic human rights. I don't fear the Bible (and I know it well, I was raised with it and I don't dismiss it, I am a Christian by birth and belief), but I do fear the people who use it to harm others. Still, that's not the point. The very basis of this country was to avoid the oppression of one religion on another. You can't use the bible to create US law.

Chaka I can't disagree with most of what you just said because I believe you to be sincere, but I do not disapprove of this ordinance on religious grounds. I disapprove because it is just bad law which will not solve a problem only create more.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by geargrinder70

I disapprove because it is just bad law which will not solve a problem only create more.

Then you also disapprove of the law which protects people from discrimination based on race, religion, or disability.

[geargrinder70]

Originally Posted by Chaka

Then you also disapprove of the law which protects people from discrimination based on race, religion, or disability.

As they are misused in a lot of ways today absolutely. The way they have been perverted for political and financial gain is not what they were intended to do now were they?

[OzzyRules]

40 years ago??

Yes, 40 years ago the same "working-class Democrats" were protesting Civil Rights. The same type of people who are trying to promote LGBT rights today. They are all of the same type and completely clueless.

[OzzyRules]

Originally Posted by Chaka

As a source of law, it is useless in this country which was founded upon the separation of church and state. It has NO place in our laws. A person may choose to use their interpretation of the bible to inform how they live their lives (provided that does not impact others in a negative manner). But the Bible must NOT be used to inform laws any more than the Koran, the teachings of Buddha, or any other religious beliefs.



I fear the manner in which people use such teachings - to deny others their basic human rights. I don't fear the Bible (and I know it well, I was raised with it and I don't dismiss it, I am a Christian by birth and belief), but I do fear the people who use it to harm others. Still, that's not the point. The very basis of this country was to avoid the oppression of one religion on another. You can't use the bible to create US law.

The separation of church and state is based on PROTECTING the people of the Christian faith.

[OzzyRules]

People who hate God have no right to force their morality upon those who love God.

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by kevcrawford

It's a funny thing about the free market that we have today (for the time being); if businesses were left to their own devices to not serve folks, they'd PROBABLY go out of business quickly. Green is the only color that matters in business. By forcing more and more and more regulations on people, you're taking more and more and more of our freedoms.

Should the city counsel be able to ban gay people from serving? Absolutely not. Never in any fashion can they, as a public service, do that. But should they be able to keep someone from serving that may have an opinion about something? Absolutely not!! Because who's to say if that opinion is right? Or even true? In today's political world it seems like the person that can throw enough dirt wins.

Let the people vote. You think Chan will be reelected? Probably not.

Those that want to regulate everything basically think that the public is stupid and doesn't have the ability to know right from wrong. If there's a racist or bigot running for public office and it's known, they're not going to get elected.

You probably say things that others would think is discriminatory, though you may not mean it. Is someone then allowed to bar you from something based on that?

It's a slippery slope.

Those that want to regulate everything basically think that the public is stupid and doesn't have the ability to know right from wrong. If there's a racist or bigot running for public office and it's known, they're not going to get elected.

Are you so sure about that? She represents a very conservative district. I think that plenty of racists/bigots have been elected in Texas and other parts. We just don't get to hear their comments like we heard Elisa Chan's comments.

[quote=kevcrawford;31267029]It's a funny thing about the free market that we have today (for the time being); if businesses were left to their own devices to not serve folks, they'd PROBABLY go out of business quickly. Green is the only color that matters in business. By forcing more and more and more regulations on people, you're taking more and more and more of our freedoms.

WRONG!!! Green is NOT the ONLY color in business. In the past, I've read about gay/lesbian couples who were asked to leave from SA restaurants when they displayed PDAs in those eateries. One of them was on the RiverWalk (wish that I could remember the name). Some of these business owners are prejudiced against gays and really don't have much of an issue in asking them to leave since there are other customers lined up to eat there. The same goes for housing, gym/club memberships, etc.

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by lollygagger428

Saw that it passed...even though the latest poll showed 60% of public was against it.

Which "poll" was that?