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Old 10-13-2015, 12:33 AM
 
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No, black people can not be racist. There is a difference between prejudice, discrimination, and racism.

Racism entails power (both institutional and structural) that has the capacity to oppress and suppress (economically, politically, socially), as well as deny rights, opportunities, and humanity to the advantage of one group and to the disadvantage of another group. Blacks do not have the capacity to do this.
No, that can be a result from racism, anyone can be a racist in any society...

Racism: The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. -Google

Racism: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race -Merriam Webster

Racism: Hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. -Dictionary

Racist: A person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. -Google

 
Old 10-13-2015, 06:39 AM
 
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No, black people can not be racist. There is a difference between prejudice, discrimination, and racism.
LOL. Someone has been in SF too long, or has been taking too many liberal arts classes at the local community college.
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Racism entails power (both institutional and structural) that has the capacity to oppress and suppress (economically, politically, socially), as well as deny rights, opportunities, and humanity to the advantage of one group and to the disadvantage of another group. Blacks do not have the capacity to do this.
OK, this confirms it. Someone has definitely been spending too much time within SF city limits, or has taken one too many Sociology classes at the local junior college.

Anyone can be racist. End of story.
 
Old 10-13-2015, 08:01 AM
 
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LOL. Someone has been in SF too long, or has been taking too many liberal arts classes at the local community college.


OK, this confirms it. Someone has definitely been spending too much time within SF city limits, or has taken one too many Sociology classes at the local junior college.

Anyone can be racist. End of story.
I wouldn't even say stuck in San Francisco. I'm thinking more Lake County maybe? Where do you have to live where you've never seen a black person in a position of power. Heck I work in Marin in a very conservative industry and have had more than one black manager over the years. What an insult to black executives and business owners.
 
Old 10-13-2015, 09:55 AM
 
Location: NOLA -> DMV Area
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I have plans of moving to this area one day (If i'm lucky enough). I'm from the south and have lived in several cities in the south. I have also visited the bay area on several occasion and call tell you for a fact that the area is DEFINITELY more progressive in terms of racial relations and several other factors.

Will my opinion change once I live there? maybe, but probably not. I'm black and will in that "white" industry and likely (if i'm lucky) have a "white" job. I'll probably also end up living in a "white" part of town. My theory is that if you're looking for racism, you'll almost always find it. So I tend not to focus on it. Fact of the matter is, if I made it in racist parts of southern Louisiana and i'm making it in racist Texas, i'm sure I can be just fine California.
 
Old 10-13-2015, 09:58 AM
 
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The bay area isn't "racism-free" by any means, but it's probably the least racist place on Earth. Even Sweden, which is famous for welcoming refugees from around the world, has a neo-nazi party as their third-largest political organization...

This conversation should be had in the context of "relative to the rest of the world."
A bold statement.

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Midwest: 22%
West: 24%
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Being able to "live" within the same neighborhood with minorities or other races and mix and mingle with them are two different things.
 
Old 10-13-2015, 10:32 AM
 
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I wouldn't even say stuck in San Francisco. I'm thinking more Lake County maybe? Where do you have to live where you've never seen a black person in a position of power. Heck I work in Marin in a very conservative industry and have had more than one black manager over the years. What an insult to black executives and business owners.
1)It is saddening to read comments such as the above. I believe the person is well-meaning. But by the logic in the quote above, we have a black president, so its an insult to suggest racism and discrimination still exist in the United States. Now that we have a black president, any discussion of discrimination is just people trying to say this place isn't all that. Talk about SMH.

2)The issue for me is not whether there are black, white, brown, yellow, red, or whatever color faces on the other side of the desk. The question is whether the decisions emanating from the other side of the desk are supportive of or harmful to my interests. I believe most blacks would rather have Ruth Bader Ginsburg making decisions than Clarence Thomas. The race of the decision-maker isn't the issue, the discriminatory or non-discriminatory impact of the decisions is the issue. And, frankly, it is tough to look at the impoverished areas of the bay, see the racial segregation in those areas, and claim "Hallelujah! I've reached the racial justice paradise!"
 
Old 10-13-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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Exactly, my prior statement holds true...

Blacks can't be racist in your eyes
You just make up all sorts of garbage and try to will it true. Point out where I said anything in response to your ridiculous assumption. I know your agenda here, the funny part is you keep claiming you're not a right winger. I see you on the Politics forum acting like the rest of those nationalists. When White Americans make up 13% of the population and get the historical treatment we have then we can discuss your silly claim of black americans being racist. Before you roll your eyes with the sarcastic slavery was 400 years ago and you didn't own slaves. The Civil Rights movement was AFTER the holocaust but it's only us that need to get over everything right? It's ok for the Jews to never forget their atrocity huh?
 
Old 10-13-2015, 12:31 PM
 
Location: NOLA -> DMV Area
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No, black people can not be racist.
That depends on where you get your definition of racism from. And it seems that there is a HUGE split on what racism ACTUALLY means.
 
Old 10-13-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: East Bay Area
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No, that can be a result from racism, anyone can be a racist in any society...

Racism: The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. -Google

Racism: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race -Merriam Webster

Racism: Hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. -Dictionary

Racist: A person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. -Google
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Anyone can be racist. End of story.
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I wouldn't even say stuck in San Francisco. I'm thinking more Lake County maybe? Where do you have to live where you've never seen a black person in a position of power. Heck I work in Marin in a very conservative industry and have had more than one black manager over the years. What an insult to black executives and business owners.
Racism is a social phenomenon. It has a historical and social context. A black person in a position of power still operates within the parameter of white dominated and controlled institutions and structures. Blacks, as a social group, are not the beneficiaries of racism (or a racist system). A black manager that denies a white person a job, or a black candidate chosen over a white candidate does not perpetuate a system of racism - that already exists - and does not have an adverse impact on whites as a social group, will not disenfranchise them, marginalize them, or define the terms of their existence.

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Old 10-13-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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Racism is a social phenomenon. It has a historical and social context. A black person in a position of power still operates within the parameter of white dominated and controlled institutions and structures. Blacks, as a social group, are not the beneficiaries of racism (or a racist system). A black manager that denies a white person a job does not perpetuate a system of racism and does not have an adverse impact on whites as a social group.
If you hate someone because of their skin color, you are a racist.
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