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So if you have group A, B, C and D. Group A commits a much higher proportion of violent crimes in most categories (homicide, assault, armed robbery, etc...) than group B, C or D. Do you don't think there is going to statistically be more violent confrontations with police officers with group A?
Looking at the total number of offenders, if Group B has a larger number of offenders than Group A, wouldn't that suggest that Group B poses the greater likelihood of offending. Likewise, since Group B commits 69% of the violent crime, then the chances of being a victim of Group B is higher than Group A because there are significantly more of Group B than Group A.
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I'm not saying there are no issues with police brutality in America. All I am saying is whenever this topic is discussed rates of violent crime should be part of the discussion. As well as a breakdown by race & ethnicity of who shoots police officers killed on duty.
2014 FBI crime states by race and ethnicity in the U.S. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-43
(this shows in 2014 blacks who are 13% if the U.S. population committed 51.3% of murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 55.9% robberies, 33.1% aggravated assaults, etc...)[/b]
Your argument is invalid: arrest rates and crime rates do not presage racial disparities in police shootings. They are independent of each other
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There is no relationship between county-level racial bias in police shootings and crime rates (even race-specific crime rates), meaning that the racial bias observed in police shootings in this data set is not explainable as a response to local-level crime rates.
Even though this is a conservative estimate of bias, the analyses of 12 law enforcement departments from geographically and demographically diverse locations revealed that racial disparities in police use of force persist even when controlling for racial distribution of local arrest rates.
“The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black,” said Justin Nix, a criminal justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report’s authors. “Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed.”
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In the study, researchers wrote that their analysis of the 990 fatal shootings in 2015 “suggests the police exhibit shooter bias by falsely perceiving blacks to be a greater threat than non-blacks to their safety.”
Black individuals shot and killed by police were less likely to have been attacking police officers than the white individuals fatally shot by police, the study found.
Here is an article from the Economist Magazine where a black economist (Roland Fryer) studied a lot of data and came to some interesting conclusions Quantifying Black Lives Matter | The Economist
"What shocked Mr Fryer was when he looked in detail at reports of police shootings. He got two separate research teams to read, code and analyse over 1,300 shootings between 2000 and 2015 in ten police departments, including Houston and Los Angeles. To his surprise, he found that blacks were no more likely to be shot before attacking an officer than non-blacks. This was apparent both in the raw data, and once the characteristics of the suspect and the context of the encounter were accounted for."
Fryer's paper was neither published nor peer reviewed, among other problems with the study. And for the most part, it actually contradicts the claim you are trying to make
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Hmm. I note you didn't mention Wikipedia or infogr.am.....
Why would I? This thread isn't about the topics you linked them for. However, it was totally appropriate to cite your use of AmRen to unveil your motivation for trying to take this topic off into a racist direction using specious Storm-Front trigger memes.
Again, this thread is about CK's protest of systemic racial-based abuse of governmental authoritarian violence in policing. It is not about race on race crime. I can dissect and demolish any race on race crime argument proffered by you and your brethren. I have done so on numerous occasions on these forums as a number of regular readers can attest. I'm not in the mood here and now on this thread. Go take your disgusting diatribe over to P&OC and see if you can find a platform there.
He thinks himself important enough to publically take a stand. He doesn't really have any real info or knowledge so he's following whatever hive mind thinking is happening among his social group. That's what most of these types of things usually come down to.
Why would I? This thread isn't about the topics you linked them for. However, it was totally appropriate to cite your use of AmRen to unveil your motivation for trying to take this topic off into a racist direction using specious Storm-Front trigger memes.
Again, this thread is about CK's protest of systemic racial-based abuse of governmental authoritarian violence in policing. It is not about race on race crime. I can dissect and demolish any race on race crime argument proffered by you and your brethren. I have done so on numerous occasions on these forums as a number of regular readers can attest. I'm not in the mood here and now on this thread. Go take your disgusting diatribe over to P&OC and see if you can find a platform there.
My brethren? LOL You must mean the good people at Wikipedia, whom you wisely ignore.
This entire topic is grounded is race, and the efforts of athletic millionaires to draw attention to highly selective aspects of it. That their efforts are self-serving, worthless and contribute nothing to solving the problem, that they ignore the reality of who does wrong, how often, to whom, is indeed the point of this thread.
Was there a conversation about criminal/police confrontations before these football players began to blame America (with its two-time AA President and Attorney General)? Yes. One might plausibly argue that the media has discussed little else. Results? Zilcherino.
Is there any measurement with which, for example, someone might measure America's compliance whatever it is Mr. Kapernick demands? No.
Instead of boasting about how you can "demolish" folks, why not recommend a course of action to address the endemic problems which have given us a black President, forty some years of Affirmative Action, and elevated these oppressed athletes to fame and what can only be described as obscene wealth -- while countless thousands of our black citizens remain mired in poverty, their children ill-fed and uneducated, their young men addicted to dead-end lifestyles?
I speak as a Vietnam combat veteran, who served proudly with men of color in the jungle and on the Cambodian border, whom I considered and still consider my brothers.. I am happily married to a person of another race (going on 25 years!), and I am a non-Muslim active in the successful fund-raising for the construction of our local Islamic mosque.
To you and the others accusing me of racism and white supremacist beliefs, come forward and show me YOUR bonafides. Then offer something constructive that doesn't involve sitting, kneeling, or disrespecting our country -- tactics which do nothing to address the problem, but which drive us farther and farther apart.
My brethren? LOL You must mean the good people at Wikipedia, whom you wisely ignore.
This entire topic is grounded is race, and the efforts of athletic millionaires to draw attention to highly selective aspects of it. That their efforts are self-serving, worthless and contribute nothing to solving the problem, that they ignore the reality of who does wrong, how often, to whom, is indeed the point of this thread.
Was there a conversation about criminal/police confrontations before these football players began to blame America (with its two-time AA President and Attorney General)? Yes. One might plausibly argue that the media has discussed little else. Results? Zilcherino.
Is there any measurement with which, for example, someone might measure America's compliance whatever it is Mr. Kapernick demands? No.
Instead of boasting about how you can "demolish" folks, why not recommend a course of action to address the endemic problems which have given us a black President, forty some years of Affirmative Action, and elevated these oppressed athletes to fame and what can only be described as obscene wealth -- while countless thousands of our black citizens remain mired in poverty, their children ill-fed and uneducated, their young men addicted to dead-end lifestyles?
I speak as a Vietnam combat veteran, who served proudly with men of color in the jungle and on the Cambodian border, whom I considered and still consider my brothers.. I am happily married to a person of another race (going on 25 years!), and I am a non-Muslim active in the successful fund-raising for the construction of our local Islamic mosque.
To you and the others accusing me of racism and white supremacist beliefs, come forward and show me YOUR bonafides. Then offer something constructive that doesn't involve sitting, kneeling, or disrespecting our country -- tactics which do nothing to address the problem, but which drive us farther and farther apart.
I am retired military and a two-tour Vietnam combat vet. Which has nothing to do whatsoever with CK's protest of systemic police racism. I don't have to accuse you of racist beliefs. You've laid them out yourself for all to read.
Now you suggest that there has been no change / results in protests that have only recently begun in the past two - three years? Further that somehow an AA POTUS and AG should have somehow been able to turn around a multi-generational national tradition of discrimination that was born with this nation historically? Ignoring, of course, how long all protest movements take to turn the ship of state? Ignoring the many recent studies resulting in large-scale implementation of anti-profiling procedures and training in LE departments across the nation that will require another generation to more fully cycle into overcoming tradition?
I have addressed those issues you describe above. I do so repeatedly. And among them, the ones that do relate to this thread, include that one of the prime forces at work in Black crime in America is systemic police racism which has always created an "us against them" suspicion and fear in the Black communities - which results in a pernicious mistrust that acts to keep law enforcement as a virtual enemy of the law abiding members of Black American communities as well as the obvious criminal elements. Thus there has been no community partnership with law enforcement to support effective respect.
Like I said before, take your broad brush overview to P&OC to mix and mingle with your Storm Front BS. If you were truly a man of "brotherhood" as you claim, you'd understand the situation you describe rather than spread the myths that support racism.
The ole I have black friends therefore I can't be racist. Your only "Brothers" are those white supremacists that share the exact same views as you. You should give your fellow "Brothers" a call and let them know how you feel about blacks the way you have exhibited on the forum. I'm sure they'll agree 100% with you. Better yet, go to the local black community and attend a town hall and express exactly what you've told us all and your feelings, You'll be welcomed with opened arms.
You can say anything you want online, ex combat Vietnam vet. Sure. I Co Founded Apple. I also walked on the Moon and performed the first brain surgery.
I would love to see this police chief debate Mr. Kapernick on TV, he would reduce him to tears in seconds. Raised by white parents in the burbs, Kapernick wouldn't know the 'hood if it hit him in the face. CK should call up the Milwaukee police chief and volunteer to go out on nightly patrols of the worst ghetto's with the local police.
It's amazing how people go ape sh*t when you merely point out statistics on violent crime (because it's not politically correct to do so), and they start calling people names and assuming they are a Trump fan, Republican, etc... I actually voted for Obama and will vote for Clinton (because I think the alternative is a disaster).
76% of people killed by police officers annually are not African American, but there is no hype, no media frenzy, no riots, no national talk show circuits about that. By the media hype over this issue you would think that 100% of people killed by police officers are African American. And the danger of over hyping racial bias in policing in the media, BLM rhetoric, CK type rhetoric...is it helps motivate the types of young impressionable African American males that assassinated 10 innocent police officers in cold blood in 2016.
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