Seattle PI discusses the "Freeze" (how much, home)

[victorianpunk]

Keep in mind that many, MANY people move to Seattle because they are gay, not religious or not the religion of their parents and/or are just starting over. Hence, they are of course going to have less family ties...a gay agnostic who moves away from the family in the South that rejected him is not going to have the strongest family ties on the planet.

As for the rest, I have to say this about Seattle's social scene compared to the rest of the country: in Seattle, there are plenty of transplants looking for friends. Compare this to other places in the country where nobody is a transplant and everyone has been hanging out with the same people since high school.

I moved here a few years ago and didn't find it hard to make friends as many people also wanted to make friends...compare that to being the only person in your town who wants to meet new people.

Honestly, what is the logical choice for someone who wants to expand their social circles: a place like Seattle full of people who also want more friends or a place where you are the only one who wants new friends?

[RotseCherut]

Originally Posted by victorianpunk

Keep in mind that many, MANY people move to Seattle because they are gay, not religious or not the religion of their parents and/or are just starting over. Hence, they are of course going to have less family ties...a gay agnostic who moves away from the family in the South that rejected him is not going to have the strongest family ties on the planet.

As for the rest, I have to say this about Seattle's social scene compared to the rest of the country: in Seattle, there are plenty of transplants looking for friends. Compare this to other places in the country where nobody is a transplant and everyone has been hanging out with the same people since high school.

I moved here a few years ago and didn't find it hard to make friends as many people also wanted to make friends...compare that to being the only person in your town who wants to meet new people.

Honestly, what is the logical choice for someone who wants to expand their social circles: a place like Seattle full of people who also want more friends or a place where you are the only one who wants new friends?

I live in the Seattle suburbs which is exactly the way you describe. Tacoma and the suburbs of Seattle are hard places to make friends because they are places where people grew up and already have well established social groups. The Eastside might have some advantages, as many people move there from other places for work.

Even though I am pretty right wing, religious, conservative, I wish I had the money to live in Seattle, because I feel it would be easier to make friends there with transplants than with the homebodies that populate the South Sound, where I live. It is all older families with kids and every event around here revolved around being with the family and friends you have had for a long time. Also, everything is very church-oriented, which isn't desirable for a Jewish guy like me. The South Sound probably is like many places throughout the United States, I am starting to realize.

[tihsanoglu]

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[tihsanoglu]

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[beautifulseattlehomes]

Vancouver BC is a very friendly outgoing city!

[victorianpunk]

Originally Posted by RotseCherut

I live in the Seattle suburbs which is exactly the way you describe. Tacoma and the suburbs of Seattle are hard places to make friends because they are places where people grew up and already have well established social groups. The Eastside might have some advantages, as many people move there from other places for work.

Even though I am pretty right wing, religious, conservative, I wish I had the money to live in Seattle, because I feel it would be easier to make friends there with transplants than with the homebodies that populate the South Sound, where I live. It is all older families with kids and every event around here revolved around being with the family and friends you have had for a long time. Also, everything is very church-oriented, which isn't desirable for a Jewish guy like me. The South Sound probably is like many places throughout the United States, I am starting to realize.

First, as long as you aren't trying to shove your beliefs down people's throats, nobody in Seattle is going to care.I am left of center but I'm also 150% pro gun and no one here cares...hell, going to the range is kind of the newest trend for Seattle hipsters.

I would suggest moving closer to Seattle, like maybe Shoreline or Kent. Not too expensive and you still have access to "fresh blood" people who also want to be social.

[W & C]

So Seattle is one of the least social cities while they list Indianapolis as one of the cities with strongest social ties ?

I must be weird, since my experience has been completely opposite of that and I've lived in both cities for long periods of time.

[Andy Patrizio]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

The San Fran Bay Area has a high percentage of transplants, tech workers, and singles, but there's no freeze. Maybe it's because of the great weather?

I'll tell you right now the Bay Area really is no better. In some ways its worse because of so many transplants from overseas.

(now hear come the racist accusations)

The Indians are probably the most insular. They may be friendly to non-Indian co-workers but in my experience that's as far as it goes. I lived near Oracle and heard more Hindi than any other language, and they always stayed with their own. Really, that doesn't bother me. Want to be with your own kind? Fine.

The Chinese were a mixed bag. The non-English speakers tended to be more closed off, but that was likely more due to language. The assimilated ones were much better and more open.

SF's black population is miniscule. There were some in Hunter's Point but they are being pushed out to Oakland, Hayward and even further into the East Bay by the obscene cost of living in SF. I knew 4-5 black people in SF and funny thing, every one of them was in a mixed marriage.

I've heard a complaint on here that Seattle women don't make themselves look attractive. A friend and I made this same observation about SF. It was like they went out of their way to look drab and plain.

But in general I found SF people incredibly inconsiderate and almost blind to the fact there were other human beings in the world other than themselves. I once told my mother that the most useless words in the supermarket were "excuse me." It was pointless. People just didn't respond. It was like that everywhere. People will drive 50 in the high speed land and absolutely refuse to move. Hold the door coming in or out of a store? Forget it. Common courtesy is as common in San Francisco as Republican politics.

So... I don't have experience with Seattlites, only visited there 15 years ago for a few days. But I'd still like to give it a try. You can't be worse than what I put up with.

[Andy Patrizio]

Originally Posted by victorianpunk

Keep in mind that many, MANY people move to Seattle because they are gay, not religious or not the religion of their parents and/or are just starting over. Hence, they are of course going to have less family ties...a gay agnostic who moves away from the family in the South that rejected him is not going to have the strongest family ties on the planet.

Why go to Seattle over SF or West LA, where you have massive gay enclaves?

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Andy Patrizio

I'll tell you right now the Bay Area really is no better. In some ways its worse because of so many transplants from overseas.

(now hear come the racist accusations)

The Indians are probably the most insular. They may be friendly to non-Indian co-workers but in my experience that's as far as it goes. I lived near Oracle and heard more Hindi than any other language, and they always stayed with their own. Really, that doesn't bother me. Want to be with your own kind? Fine.

The Chinese were a mixed bag. The non-English speakers tended to be more closed off, but that was likely more due to language. The assimilated ones were much better and more open.

SF's black population is miniscule. There were some in Hunter's Point but they are being pushed out to Oakland, Hayward and even further into the East Bay by the obscene cost of living in SF. I knew 4-5 black people in SF and funny thing, every one of them was in a mixed marriage.

I've heard a complaint on here that Seattle women don't make themselves look attractive. A friend and I made this same observation about SF. It was like they went out of their way to look drab and plain.

But in general I found SF people incredibly inconsiderate and almost blind to the fact there were other human beings in the world other than themselves. I once told my mother that the most useless words in the supermarket were "excuse me." It was pointless. People just didn't respond. It was like that everywhere. People will drive 50 in the high speed land and absolutely refuse to move. Hold the door coming in or out of a store? Forget it. Common courtesy is as common in San Francisco as Republican politics.

So... I don't have experience with Seattlites, only visited there 15 years ago for a few days. But I'd still like to give it a try. You can't be worse than what I put up with.

You sound like you're talking mainly about the city of SF, not so much about the Bay Area as a whole. I find Berkeley, Oakland, Marin, Benicia and Lafayette/Walnut Creek to be pretty friendly. People say hello just passing in the street. I've found that to be true to some extent in SF, as well.

And what does Bay Area women's attractiveness have to do with anything? (off-topic) Some of them are the friendliest people.