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Old 05-11-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Santa FE NM
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That's a good start, but far from what I would consider a arsenal.
I agree, and add:

Be sure that you can easily find more ammo for your firearms. The best way to do this is to select calibers/gauges that are in common use.

My friend, you're likely to find that a .25-06 is gonna be danged difficult to feed. So might a 20-gauge shottie, though it will be much easier to feed than a 10-gauge or 16-gauge...
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Old 05-11-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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LOL that 25-06 will be somewhat easier to find ammo for than my 6.5x54MS Mauser, but that rifle is stricktly for deer hunting.

Nighteyes is that 16 Ga a typo, meaning 12? 16 is already hard to find, and I have a Model 12 in 16Ga, and another Model 12 in 12. I never did get that idea.
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Old 05-11-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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I of course, have my own opinions on this but I am interested in hearing yours

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Should a Firearm be apart of my disaster/survival kit?


Yes.

Without a firearm it may very well become someone else’s kit after a disaster.

(The one that didn't prepare but does have a firearm.)
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Old 05-11-2011, 05:06 PM
 
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I'd recommend a .45 or 357 magnum for carry. Any less, and you might as well use pepper spray.
So if you had a choice between getting pepper sprayed or shot with a .9mm you might go with the .9mm?

I carry a .380 when deep concealment is needed. (shot placement is key) It’s not as good as a .45 but even it is better than pepper spray.

I also really like the way it disappears into a small pocket in my BOB as a back up gun.
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Santa FE NM
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Nighteyes is that 16 Ga a typo, meaning 12? 16 is already hard to find, and I have a Model 12 in 16Ga, and another Model 12 in 12. I never did get that idea.
Nope. My point was that 20-gauge shells are gradually becoming more difficult to find, and may soon join the 16-gauge and 10-gauge shells on the "almost-impossible-to-find" list.

12-gauge shells are easy to find.
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Old 05-11-2011, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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That's a good start, but far from what I would consider a arsenal.

oh, yeah, I know lol. Really just little p-shooters but hey, better than nothing. I usually keep atleast 1000 rounds of .22 ammo at any given time, try to keep more than that. I always keep 20 rounds for my 25.06, and I forgot to mention my 30-30, I keep 20-40 rounds for that as well.


P.S.

any of you ever heard of the taurus judge? .45 410 combo revolver. Do you think it would be a good defense gun?
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Old 05-11-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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oh, yeah, I know lol. Really just little p-shooters but hey, better than nothing. I usually keep atleast 1000 rounds of .22 ammo at any given time, try to keep more than that. I always keep 20 rounds for my 25.06, and I forgot to mention my 30-30, I keep 20-40 rounds for that as well.


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any of you ever heard of the taurus judge? .45 410 combo revolver. Do you think it would be a good defense gun?
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He did a test... in short, NO.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:39 PM
 
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Nope. My point was that 20-gauge shells are gradually becoming more difficult to find, and may soon join the 16-gauge and 10-gauge shells on the "almost-impossible-to-find" list.

12-gauge shells are easy to find.
20 ga. slugs are especially difficult to find on any consistent basis.

It is important, whenever possible, unless you are a reloader, to stick with the most common calibers for your area.
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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oh, yeah, I know lol. Really just little p-shooters but hey, better than nothing. I usually keep atleast 1000 rounds of .22 ammo at any given time, try to keep more than that. I always keep 20 rounds for my 25.06, and I forgot to mention my 30-30, I keep 20-40 rounds for that as well.


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any of you ever heard of the taurus judge? .45 410 combo revolver. Do you think it would be a good defense gun?
You have important building blocks for a good battery of guns. As I'm sure you know, your supply of ammunition is woefully deficient. The first thing to do in your case is to invest in a handloading setup. The .25-06 is a cartridge for handloaders. It's not necessarily a barrel eater with relatively mild loads. It's obvious companion is a .30-06. You can make fine .25-06 cases from .30-06 match brass. It's not terribly expensive on gunbroker. RCBS makes a form die for the conversion. Only one die is required. I'd recommend that you put a Thompson/Center Encore on your list. Then you can have barrels for .25-06, .30-06, .30-30 as well as a .22 long rifle barrel, and perhaps a shotgun barrel. At that point, two frames would be in order. Handloading the .30-30 in a single shot will allow you to use spitzers. It's always best to have two guns in each chambering. The Encore is very accurate.

The Taurus Judge is an excellent defensive handgun. My tests indicated that only 000 Buck is appropriate. Buy only the all steel version chambered for a 3" shell. Have a gunsmith ream and polish the chambers. The .45 Colt chambers on the rim and works fine that way. Removing the step in the chambers allows the use of all .410 ammunition with no extraction problems. Don't buy any .45 Colt unless you just wish to satisfy your curiosity as I did.

Many self-appointed experts think that it would tarnish their image if they said anything good about Taurus. Disregard them and learn for yourself.

Make your first purchase a handloading book.

Amazon.com: The ABCs Of Reloading: The Definitive Guide for Novice to Expert (9781440213960): Rodney James: Books

Amazon.com: Lyman Reloading Handbook, 49th Edition (0011516960498): Books

This one has some fascinating information on selecting cast bullets and everything else you need. It would be my choice if you buy only one book at this time.

Amazon.com: Modern Reloading, Second Edition: Richard Lee: Books
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Old 05-12-2011, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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What has stuck in my head was what Steve Martin said when he was playing the part of the guy in Witness Protection. The big-caliber guns cause a lot of noise and damage and there's dry-cleaning involved. The smaller ones are a "pop" and the bullets rattle around inside, hitting everything. I have worked on two people who were killed with .22's; one was shot in the neck and bled out internally from a severed carotid artery, the other was shot in the belly, the bullet was later found next to his anus - after having slashed through almost every internal organ and ricocheting off of a few bones. So a .22 CAN kill, if you get the right shot; the traveling aspect of the bullet makes it deadly. Not saying it should be your only defense weapon, as a meth- or crack-head can usually only be stopped with a cannon or large bullets - especially ones that splinter on impact. But if push comes to shove - like DH says, if all I got is a .22 long with 15 bullets, I'll use it - and if he survives, I'll help him load his truck.
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