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Old 10-17-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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All the above. Unrest, ha, matter of time. Finances in toilet -- we're on the way. Venezuela here we come -- & their wonderful socialism proved so successful, no? Did Obummer succeed as president -- though many say he failed -- ha, I say he succeeded very well -- we're on our way to becoming Columbia.

Billiary, ha, a real great upstanding citizen to have in office. I'd rather have Manson in office. Hey Hilliary, do you know where Bill is half the time?
This is a great example of what I'm talking about. Hows is this post any less "controversial" than the stuff I post? If I posted a liberal equivalent of this, there would be ten people responding to me saying that I'm trolling.
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Old 10-17-2016, 03:00 PM
 
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The chances of Trump winning the election are non existent (or 1.5 out of 10 actually). The newspapers would come out say that, but then he's already crying about them rigging things already. Maybe earlier he had a miniscule chance, but his big mouth and past behavior have sunk that boat quite thoroughly.

Here's what the odds makers make of the upcoming election as of today. For some crazy reason it is illegal to wager on this in America, but overseas you can place a bet. I would go w/ the odds makers on this, especially since they need to keep the odds somewhat more conservative than in reality or no one would ever place any money on the underdog, a very apt name in this regard :]

https://electionbettingodds.com/

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Old 10-17-2016, 03:53 PM
 
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Toss a coin heads you win tails you lose.no difference between the two as far as being's go.
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Old 10-17-2016, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Americans were forced by law to have health insurance.

I'm gonna leave if Hillary wins. Been sick of Obummer since 2009 and I can't stomach another 4-8 years of the same stuff. Who knows what will happen if Hillary wins? We might get nuked or experience another financial meltdown (possibly worse than 2008 and making it look like Sesame Street) or have civil unrest like in the Ukraine
I wasn't at all concerned with religion, and only marginally with politics when I started this thread. I was more concerned about civil unrest, domestic terrorism, and the occasional nuke in a shipping container that makes it all the way into New York Harbor.
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Old 10-17-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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What is your definition of "trolling"? Disagreeing with you?

My opinions differ from "EVERYONE" here because virtually everyone is of the same political stripe. That isn't trolling. It's just a difference of opinion.
1st of all, you disagree w/ almost ALL on here & hate to tell you but -- this is the SAME type people in real world living.

2ndly, you circumvent the trolling w/ counter examples again -- cherry-picking or taking out of context the real meaning anyone else says, but of course, never introspectively evaluating or moderating your blather.

3rdly, you jump to the belief that this society is comprised of you, you & more you. Yes, seems as such it is nowadays as every Tom, Dick & Harry is let in changing the demographic & thus lansdsape of the Founding Father's beliefs -- on why we even HAVE A COUNTRY IN THE 1ST PLACE.

Lastly, If this is contrary & trolling to YOU, then so be it. It seems you want cake & eat it as well. If you want to be allowed to post controversially then hell, why don't we all? I guess there's no longer need of mods nor rules -- the same as in real life w/ liberal agendas. If it suits their needs (libs) then by all means -- it is ok. But if the public disagrees w/ them -- via the conservative original document (Constitutional values) then all bets are off & we are accountable only but not libs.

"In like manner, these conditions will be binding on Congress. They can exercise no power that is not expressly granted them." This makes up some of the foundational principles of nullification...

Except of course, w/ this current lib admin & thus, toss this document out the window as this has happened time & again recently. This is how far we've sunk as a country.

As Michael Savage has said, "Lliberalism is a mental illness disorder". Amen. Truth comes out.
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Old 10-17-2016, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Bird, my issue w/ the Washington Compost is just that -- unreliable malarkey drummed up to suit an agenda. The NY Post, of which I do like, says the State Dept. tried to bribe the FBI to make Clinton's emails unclassified.

At least the NY Post will tell MORE of the truth -- that the left side will NEVER tell -- as also the Wash. ComPost will never say any of the truth as well.
Whatever media you choose, globalism in finance is going to alter the U.S. economy and how real people in this country, including those who hate liberals or conservatives, live their lives and navigate their future. It has been questioned here on this thread whether the results of the election have anything at all to do with "preparedness." It sure does, big time. Many of the posters on here may be wealthy enough not to care, but for those who are not wealthy financially, I'd say care and prepare. JMO naturally.
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Old 10-17-2016, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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If you want to be allowed to post controversially then hell, why don't we all? I guess there's no longer need of mods nor rules -- the same as in real life w/ liberal agendas. If it suits their needs (libs) then by all means -- it is ok. But if the public disagrees w/ them -- via the conservative original document (Constitutional values) then all bets are off & we are accountable only but not libs.

As Michael Savage has said, "Lliberalism is a mental illness disorder". Amen.
That's a pretty controversial statement, no? Are your views any less so than others on this thread? Just wondering (as a writer who has had to represent all sides of an issue, not just one) what you mean. If this were a club of the like-minded, I'd say throw out anyone who doesn't agree. Clubs are private. But forums are open and public, so you're just not going to get those you want weighing in. You could have titled the thread "for conservatives only."
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Old 10-17-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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Whatever media you choose, globalism in finance is going to alter the U.S. economy and how real people in this country, including those who hate liberals or conservatives, live their lives and navigate their future. It has been questioned here on this thread whether the results of the election have anything at all to do with "preparedness." It sure does, big time. Many of the posters on here may be wealthy enough not to care, but for those who are not wealthy financially, I'd say care and prepare. JMO naturally.
I do agree that financial collapse is imminent. You can't be almost 20 trillion in the hole & get out, period. So, as Winston Churchill said, "The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see".
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Old 10-17-2016, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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I do agree that financial collapse is imminent. You can't be almost 20 trillion in the hole & get out, period. So, as Winston Churchill said, "The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see".
Maybe the real people of the left and right could come together and figure out a way to prepare and survive, instead of constantly slinging arrows at each other. I do see more hate toward "liberals," but there are not that many people purely in one camp or another. There are MANY who are in the middle and many who are confused thanks to the really bad choices we have for POTUS. Believe me, no matter who gets elected now or in future decades, they are not there for you and me. They are the elites of this country out for themselves and their insatiable need for more money and power. You have to admit this (not sure how old you are, but I've seen many decades of this and it was the same way way back to the so-called founding fathers and it's the same today as ever. We are the little people being governed; we are not any president's real concern). JMO as always.
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Old 10-17-2016, 06:00 PM
 
Location: zippidy doo dah
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You just don't agree with me. I don't talk about any topics you don't talk about. I just have different beliefs about those topics. This forum is full of people talking about politics. The only difference in those posts and mine is that I have different political and religious beliefs. That doesn't mean my posts are out of place or must only exist to provoke.

I never said I wasn't a "disturber." I said I lead a pleasant, happy life. My statements are not more controversial than statements about how Obamacare is terrible or how the second amendment is being infringed or how this country is going down the tubes. Those sorts of statements are all over this board. The only difference is that mine represent a liberal worldview, and that isn't the common view on this board. That doesn't make me particularly provocative; it just means I'm a square peg in a round hole on this forum.

For example, you didn't seem to think the comment I was responding to that endorsed a religious worldview was only to draw ire. The only difference is that my view is less common here. Your comment that I quote a couple posts below is at least as controversial as anything I've said here, but you seem to think those sorts of comments are acceptable but mine aren't.



The only reason my comments seem contrary is that the vast majority of posters on this forum fit a narrow mold. They are, by and large, very conservative Christian folks who turn a skeptical eye toward things like higher education and climate change. You must realize that those traits being the norm on this board doesn't mean those traits are the norm in societal generally, and my "contrarian" comments represent my genuine beliefs on the topics.

I am far from the only one here who talks politics. You can open almost any thread on this forum, and you'll find some political discussion of some type. Most of those don't rankle the fold here because most posters agree with them. The only difference in those posts and mine is that I have a different view on politics, etc. than many posters here. That doesn't mean that I am only posting for the sake of causing friction.

This isn't called the "Preparation and Political Conservatism" forum. My comments aren't any more out of place than comments that talk about how this country is going down the drain or how Obama is stepping on the Constitution.
Funny, the individuals that I know that adhere to Constitutional principals are among the more educated. If there is skepticism of "higher education", it's the present state of "higher education" which is indoctrination; producing a student body of lock-step statists. As one who has always pursued knowledge, and raised children who pursued knowledge, I find it amusing that the "progressives" like to claim the upper-hand when I daresay many of those not so oriented likely have viewed the world through multiple lenses. I know political theory - I know many ideologies. My focus at all levels of education involved policy analysis and development, both modern and historical. I study not just what I agree with but what I disagree with and I see the flaws in all. You are right - you have a different worldview. THat's your choice but it doesn't make it correct. You could say the same to me but I don't base mine on my own opinion. I don't know if I'm the one you mention with a "religious worldview" . But my worldview is based on absolute truths. Not draconian iron-fist rule by facists. Not a theocracy that violates free will. Not man-made. Man will muddle through the best he can based on those precepts or based on his own precepts but whatever, it won't be perfect . Perfect will only be when this is all over. My suggestion was simply to be on the correct side of it all when that time comes.
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