12-07-2011, 01:36 AM
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Tampa off the chain, Channel Side, Ybor City, I luv Tampa, it got hoods too and St. Pete hood too!
12-07-2011, 07:15 AM
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It may be square footage wise, but how many Skyscrapers does Miami have and how many does St Pete? (and no, they don't all need to be businesses, in Miami I counted 16 new condo's in 2008..more have been built since).
Both Tampa and St Pete suffer from wasted real estate syndrome around their downtown's.
I just can't figure out why is so darn important to keep that disgusting mess, rather than make the city beautiful? St. Pete more than Tampa IT IS a destination, and not just for weddings, but for the beaches and many other things...you don't get it, it is about the IMAGE of the city, someone flies in at the St Pete airport:
http://www.commercialphotoservices.com/AGPhotography-Interiors%20%2811%29.jpg (broken link)
which has been renovated, and looks great, new carpet and all, (I had an entire photoshoot there at the beginning of this year), and then if one stays downtown, great, but one will go to John's pass and in order to do that they'll drive on that Central Ave, or 5th ave etc, and leave with a bad taste going from 400 Beach Drive to Treasure Island etc.
You need to understand this from a
visitors perspective , just cause you're so used to seeing that because you've seen it day in and day out, that doesn't make it better or good for the overall
image of a city. Its like having a great business, but an awful logo, like some architects these days who think they can photograph too and all you see in magazines are skewed, over-processed photos of buildings that WERE beautiful and became awful through unprofessional photographers...same thing. You have to think about this as a brand, this is tourist state, and weather you like it or not as a resident, tourists come first because THEY are the ones bringing/spending the money there. How many times did you spend 2 nights at Don Caesar?
I think politics are really ruining this country as a whole, and city after city is overtaken by disrepair. The problem is that locals get used to it to the point where they think its "Normal", when in fact it is NOT.
Another example of decay in the middle of the city!
Yves Marchand & Romain Meffre Photography - The Ruins of Detroit
Tampa has a lot of that and visitors can SEE it!
Miami Skyline:
http://www.commercialphotoservices.com/Miami%20003.jpg (broken link)
St Pete Skyline:
http://www.commercialphotoservices.com/0174.jpg (broken link)
The difference between these two cities is that St. Pete has much better/beautiful beaches than Miami, and so it should be super thriving, but it is not because of a great deal of complacency, and the "Ohh St Pete is beautiful the way it is" crap that is just a very lazy/complacent way of thinking! People come there from all over the world not just Sarasota to visit, and the impression left is not all 100% good.
I think St Pete has a LOT of potential, sadly the backwoods mentality is keeping it from flourishing to the city it can be. Now they want to mess with that pier again, there is nothing wrong with it, instead of focusing on what is around it that is keeping/turning people off.
Here's a city reinventing itself, from its logo to its image:
São Paulo Attracts - Brand New
Why they can, and we can't?
Port St Lucie is a large subdivision, Cape Coral is tiny, Hialeah is Central America Central, and Fort Lauderdale is/was a great party town to the east, and a huge subdivision to the west, remember I lived in SoFla for a while...
I would not call those cities the "largest" at all.
Map wise it breaks down like this:
St Pete:
http://www.commercialphotoservices.com/st%20pete%20dt.jpg (broken link)
Miami:
http://www.commercialphotoservices.com/miamidt.jpg (broken link)
I would not make a mention of "area wise St Pete is bigger", because even if it is, it has a lot of wasted real estate, and it should be embarrassing for the mayor for leaving it looking like that, and not making enough effort to bring in the right businesses for the area. This thing with: "Let's keep it a secret" is foolish and detrimental to the future of this city.
Not sure why you would expect anyone to admire or respect cracktowns?
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You and your cracktown paranoia. It's just not true. St. Pete isn't that small, either. It's the fourth-largest city in the state (population-wise) and bigger than Miami, Hialeah, Tallahassee, Port St. Lucie, Cape Coral, and Fort Lauderdale (area-wise). Those five cities are five of the state's ten largest cities.
12-07-2011, 07:25 AM
Location: Tampa, FL
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who said st. pete was beautiful? please point out these delusional people. st. pete has one tiny little sliver of niceness near downtown and old ne. go west of 4th or south of central and it's depressing, and frankly pinellas county should be embarrassed of it. world class potential, slum reality.
12-07-2011, 07:39 AM
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who said st. pete was beautiful? please point out these delusional people. st. pete has one tiny little sliver of niceness near downtown and old ne. go west of 4th or south of central and it's depressing, and frankly pinellas county should be embarrassed of it. world class potential, slum reality.
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I think it's beautiful. My reasons for liking St. Pete are its downtown and its beaches. It does have quite a few pretty neighborhoods, too. And while I agree it has it's "run-down" parts, even there I really love the old vintage architecture that is still standing ("ferret" here knows what I'm talking about
and glad it hasn't been over-developed. Not talking about the mid-town or ghetto areas of course. I love the Bohemian flavor that the city has been taking on. I realize that is not for everyone, but it is for me. Let St. Pete be what it is, people that want big, fast city, go to Miami.
And User8, you should have seen St. Pete a decade and a half ago. It was REALLY run down even downtown, the nice downtown is a recent thing. Plus it was ALL old people. Pretty thriving now, and still improving, IMO. Cities don't change overnight.
Pinellas Park is definitely a dump, don't care for it at all.
12-07-2011, 02:00 PM
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Not sure why skyscrapers are associated with "big/fast" city?
Is Waikiki beach big and fast? it sure is full of tall buildings! I am thinking it has a LOT more to do with space, and since St Pete has ALL this space, more than Miami etc, seems to me like a lot is just wasted.
The purpose of having tall buildings is to give the city
definition . Skyscrapers have been an American staple for decades? why stop now all of the sudden? and what is there instead exactly? shacks and empty lots? why should that be found appealing?
How may times are you even going to St Pete? and when you do, do you drive around the old areas of town? really? I know about all of those homes with the old architecture too, did you notice how half have been taken over by disrepair and no one does anything about it? that should not be the case.
If you like/love a city, you'd want what's better for it, crack-towns and disrepair are not better for it, nor are they "charming" in any way.
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Let St. Pete be what it is, people that want big, fast city, go to Miami.
12-07-2011, 02:09 PM
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algia
Not sure why skyscrapers are associated with "big/fast" city?definition . Skyscrapers have been an American staple for decades? why stop now all of the sudden? and what is there instead exactly? shacks and empty lots? why should that be found appealing?
You're the only one talking about "skyscrapers" here....
Why do you care, anyway - didn't you move to Pittsburgh?????? Plenty of people like St. Pete just fine the way it is.
12-07-2011, 02:27 PM
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Don't you love Sarasota?
You live in Sarasota, what it is to you that St. Pete may achieve a better status? why would you be opposed to that? do you own the city?
You are so missing the point its not funny! I would say travel past St. Pete some day, and you
may potentially understand what "I" am talking about. This is about progress, betterment of society, humanity has always moved forward, its not like we invented the bulb, and then dis-invented it when the neon came along!
Why do you care to drag the city down then by promoting this complacent attitude? of "
ohh let's leave it as it is, we like our crack-towns/run-down stuff, we never drive by there anyways, so we just pretend it doesn't exist and hope tourists won't "notice" that either !!!" See, Unlike Rome...St. Pete won't look as good in a few thousand years...I care because living up north doesn't mean I'll never come to FL again, matter of fact we're going to Disney World on Friday! as we still have annual passes, and will continue to have annual passes until we're dead!!! So, my guess is that unless they move Disney up to NY or something, we'll still come down quite a bit! BTW The weather here is fantastic, there is air to breath for a change! and it snowed, soooo pretty, you wouldn't have any clue!
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gypsychic
You're the only one talking about "skyscrapers" here....
Why do you care, anyway - didn't you move to Pittsburgh?????? Plenty of people like St. Pete just fine the way it is.
12-07-2011, 02:31 PM
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If it ain't broke don't fix it. What is the thought process of taking old towns with character and flavor and turn them into some kind of corporate mega center?
12-07-2011, 02:41 PM
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I am not referring to the nicer areas that still have character...i have no problem with those...sadly those are sparse because they have been taken over by disrepair & not corporate anything!
When was the last time you visited St Pete?
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If it ain't broke don't fix it. What is the thought process of taking old towns with character and flavor and turn them into some kind of corporate mega center?
12-07-2011, 03:08 PM
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If it ain't broke don't fix it. What is the thought process of taking old towns with character and flavor and turn them into some kind of corporate mega center?
because it *is* broke, both literally and figuratively.
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Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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and glad it hasn't been over-developed. Not talking about the mid-town or ghetto areas of course. I love the Bohemian flavor that the city has been taking on. I realize that is not for everyone, but it is for me. Let St. Pete be what it is, people that want big, fast city, go to Miami.
Why do you care, anyway - didn't you move to Pittsburgh?????? Plenty of people like St. Pete just fine the way it is.
