Why is it that Houston seems to have more of an "energetic vibe" than Dallas? (Galveston: safety, nightclub)

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Austin is alot smaller though........On a Thursday,Friday or Saturday..Starting at Griffin St. You can take Commerce,Main,and Elm st. east all the way to the CASE building in Deep ELLUM and thats about equal to Downtown Austin...As far as live bustling action its known for.


And downtown Houston is definitely better than it USED to be but to me Downtown Dallas still Leads...and its momentum is widening the GAP briskly....

By Dallas widening the gap as in getting further behind, I agree. Downtown Dallas is growing and improving, but it’s not the only one to do so. It’s not the growing the fastest. And as a matter of a fact, I believe it’s growing slower than Houston and Austin. Austin by far has the most momentum. Their downtown today compared to 10 years ago is unbelievable and it’s continuing for now. Austin is the one widening the gap.

I know little of what San Antonio has in the pipeline so someone else would have to comment on that one.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by atadytic19

This is a really cool link that gives radial population around cities:

https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

It looks like Austin is the big guy in terms of most populated downtown area 3 km radius)

Uptown Houston: 153,201 (centered on Wisdom HS)
West Campus: 109,793

Downtown Austin: 98,367
Uptown Dallas: 97,403:
Downtown Houston: 94,593
The Woodlands: 94,389


Highland Park: 87,015

Corpus: 70,124 (despite being half water)
Round Rock: 71,773

Arlington: 67,482
Irving: 65,137
San Antonio: 64,927
Downtown Dallas: 60,075

McAllen: 54,627
Fort Worth: 28,845

Including Juarez, El Paso is : 98,639

Shifting one street over affects the number greatly

Originally Posted by dallasboi

7km Range

Downtown Dallas-312,365
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

Fort Worth-249,435
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

Downtown Houston-386,916
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

Downtown Austin-404,306
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

San Antonio-417,209
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

El-Paso-209,411
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/



...........This is a more useful scale.....

inside the loop 610 Houston-608,968

Inside the loop12 Dallas-698,359

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

By Dallas widening the gap as in getting further behind, I agree. Downtown Dallas is growing and improving, but it’s not the only one to do so. It’s not the growing the fastest. And as a matter of a fact, I believe it’s growing slower than Houston and Austin. Austin by far has the most momentum. Their downtown today compared to 10 years ago is unbelievable and it’s continuing for now. Austin is the one widening the gap.

I know little of what San Antonio has in the pipeline so someone else would have to comment on that one.

Dallas was already ahead of Houston...So Houston had a lot more work to do....so catching up is what Houston is doing,,,not SURPASSING anyone

Austin is building a lot more than anyone in Texas.....Dallas was also A LOT ahead of Austin....So...Same concept.........KUDOS to our little brother tho.

[atadytic19]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

By Dallas widening the gap as in getting further behind, I agree.

Lol

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

Downtown Dallas is growing and improving, but it’s not the only one to do so. It’s not the growing the fastest. And as a matter of a fact, I believe it’s growing slower than Houston and Austin. Austin by far has the most momentum. Their downtown today compared to 10 years ago is unbelievable and it’s continuing for now. Austin is the one widening the gap.

I know little of what San Antonio has in the pipeline so someone else would have to comment on that one.

Without a doubt Austin has had the most momentum. And it's not even close. Especially the last 5 years or so it's been no contest.

Apart from Austin's downtown building up it is also expanding.

Nice try Dallasboi, loop 12 is 25% longer than loop 610. It covers a considerably larger area. Why don't you try the same radius for both?

And no way Downtown Dallas is ahead of downtown Houston. Downtown Dallas has the CBD and a handful of districts while Houston downtown is just the CBD.

[Redlionjr]

Originally Posted by atadytic19

You consistently imply that Dallas is more pedestrian friendly when statistics show that they are pretty similar in terms of commuting by car.

My point is you complain all the time about Houston, but the same factors exist in Dallas

WRONG, this was my first post in reference to this back and forth

I actually think Houston’s density is more of a disadvantage instead of an actual advantage. Why? Because Houston lacks a pedestrian friendly infrastructure that benefits a heavily dense population. In some ways its density is reminiscent of LA but even LA has noticeably more walkable neighborhoods and wider sidewalks on average for pedestrians to navigate through. And still people complain about how car-centric LA is. Well Houston imo is a worst version of that and I believe that’s one of the main reasons a lot of people don’t like the experience of Houston. Simple task of navigating even in immediate areas can easily become exhausting especially when you’re not use to that layout. It’s uniquely Houston but not in a good way.

Don’t get me wrong there is a benefit to Houston’s density. There’s access to more amenities but it’s chaotic in layout. And that extends into unincorporated burbs as well. I actually prefer DFW layout compared to Greater Houston where’s there’s more of a distinction between City and Suburb.

That was a response to your braggadocios post about Houston's density. My argument has nothing to do with the few truly walkable neighborhoods in Dallas but Houston's disorganized wacky dense development all throughout the metro. You mentioned in that post how Houston is dense similarly to Miami and LA but the difference between LA/MIA is that those 2 have MORE of a pedestrian friendly infrastructure to compliment their density. And even those 2 are way too car centric for most people's taste. Yet Houston is a worst version of those 2.

Then I specifically state in my earlier post that I prefer DFW layout more because there's a consistent distinction between city and suburb. DFW doesn't have a heavy abundance of long corridors with lots of commerce, residents and wide lanes all in one like Greater Houston. DFW compared to Houston from my experience is less exhausting because it's layout is less chaotic than Houston's imo.

DFW having a few walkable neighborhoods in it's core is just an added bonus. Even if those few neighborhoods leave a small footprint on the metroplex it still beats out Houston especially when you add the fact that getting around DFW(outside the freeways) is less stressful.

More people walking throughout Houston isn't because Houston is more walkable by design but because more residents live in close proximity to businesses and such. Yet those walking to these places do so in a very dangerous non- pedestrian environment. And most of these people are walking more than likely because they don't own vehicle. Who wants to walk on long corridors with incompetent dirty sidewalks or none at all?

[atadytic19]

Originally Posted by Redlionjr

More people walking throughout Houston isn't because Houston is more walkable by design but because more residents live in close proximity to businesses and such.

You are contradictory in your reasoning buddy.
That's the definition of more walkable right there.
More people walk through Houston so it is more walkable. End of story bud.

[DaBears02]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Dallas was already ahead of Houston...So Houston had a lot more work to do....so catching up is what Houston is doing,,,not SURPASSING anyone

Austin is building a lot more than anyone in Texas.....Dallas was also A LOT ahead of Austin....So...Same concept.........KUDOS to our little brother tho.

Dallas’ downtown is behind Houston’s imo. I think Dallas’ neighborhoods around Downtown (Deep Ellum, Uptown, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville) have a slightly better pedestrian realm than their Houston counterparts (Midtown, EaDo, Montrose, the Heights) but when taking Downtown vs Downtown I’d definitely tip the scales in Houston’s favor.

And back to the main topic of the thread, I’d say Houston feels more energetic in its core because it’s a larger core with more going on. This is because the core of Houston supports a metro area of 7 million whereas Dallas’ core doesn’t really support all of DFW in the same way. This gives Houston a slightly (but not insanely) more energetic vibe.

[oil capital]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

inside the loop 610 Houston-608,968

Inside the loop12 Dallas-698,359

That was a pretty worthless (and dishonest, but that's to be expected) comparison. In addition to the fact that area inside neither loop is circular, so you don't accurately capture the population inside either loop. More important, you compared an an area of about 11 km radius (approx 380 sq km) in Dallas with an area of about 9 km (approx 254 sq km) in Houston (without noting the difference).

Dallas 1.15 times the population of Houston in 1.5 times the space. You had to work hard to find a comparison that showed Dallas winning, didn't you? Congratulations!

Hilarious and sad at the same time.

FWIW, if we use the Dallas measurement of 11 km radius, we see that Houston has 1.2 times the population of Dallas in the same space.

Houston: 836,898
Dallas: 697,595

https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

[SanJac]

Originally Posted by DaBears02

Dallas’ downtown is behind Houston’s imo. I think Dallas’ neighborhoods around Downtown (Deep Ellum, Uptown, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville) have a slightly better pedestrian realm than their Houston counterparts (Midtown, EaDo, Montrose, the Heights) but when taking Downtown vs Downtown I’d definitely tip the scales in Houston’s favor.

And back to the main topic of the thread, I’d say Houston feels more energetic in its core because it’s a larger core with more going on. This is because the core of Houston supports a metro area of 7 million whereas Dallas’ core doesn’t really support all of DFW in the same way. This gives Houston a slightly (but not insanely) more energetic vibe.

Houston having 3 downtown stadiums makes all the difference in the world, but when the Astros complete their entertainment complex that will be a game-changer.

Houston's CBD is just so big. East downtown anchored by Discovery Green is always buzzing. The west side of downtown has Post Houston, the Theater district, and the new Lynn Wyatt Park (along with Market Square nearby). The key is to connect these two areas.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by oil capital

That was a pretty worthless (and dishonest, but that's to be expected) comparison. In addition to the fact that area inside neither loop is circular, so you don't accurately capture the population inside either loop. More important, you compared an an area of about 11 km radius (approx 380 sq km) in Dallas with an area of about 9 km (approx 254 sq km) in Houston (without noting the difference).

Dallas 1.15 times the population of Houston in 1.5 times the space. You had to work hard to find a comparison that showed Dallas winning, didn't you? Congratulations!

Hilarious and sad at the same time.

FWIW, if we use the Dallas measurement of 11 km radius, we see that Houston has 1.2 times the population of Dallas in the same space.

Houston: 836,898
Dallas: 697,595

https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/

,,,uHHHH....I used the same website he Used!!......AND...I posted pictures to show the bounderies.....I used 610 as the guidelines and Loop 12 as the guidelines....Anymore questions?!!!


AND.......IF I used your logic and went outside of the lines of whats considered "ITL" to boost numbers.....
I could have did the 635 loop for Dallas and said its loop 12 numbers because Houston doesn't have a 635..