Why is it that Houston seems to have more of an "energetic vibe" than Dallas? (San Antonio: sales, motel)

[dallasboi]

Yellow=Planning Stage
Blue=Announced
Green= Under Construction
Purple= Newly Renovated or repurposed
Pink= Recently Completed
Red=Currently existing NEW but not recently completed

Click the link to get details on each plot. Im posting snap shots to show the depth of progress.
https://downtowndallas.com/business/...ment-projects/

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by oil capital

LOL Okay, I'll bite. Who is planning to build 5 buildings there? And what buildings are they planning?

Hmmmmm......Did you click on EACH yellow spot next to reunion Tower?????


That's the answer to your ignorant question.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by R1070

I can’t imagine where Dallas would even fit a baseball stadium in the core. They would have to completely destroy an area to make room for it and that’s not what I’d prefer.

I’m also curious what Dallas neighborhoods are “sleepy” compared to what neighborhoods that are more lively.

What you're saying is entirely hypothetical. Urban baseball stadiums work well in many cities, so whether it can or can't work for Dallas, this doesn't change the fact that they do in many cities. There are right ways to approach building a central stadium

Right way: Wrigley Field (Chicago), Yankee Stadium (New York), Fenway Park (Boston), Great American Ball Park (Cincinnatti), Oracle Park (San Francisco), PNC Park (Pittsburgh) and of course Minute Maid Park (Houston).

This is the reason that what you're saying is irrelevant in this case. In Houston's example, there was not a lot going on at MMP or Eastern Downtown Houston in general until the turn of the century. The ball park was built, Toyota Center came soon after the Avenida district that surrounds the convention district. The Astros district and the "Next phase" of the Avenida/Convention district are about to break ground to further improve the area. There's no neighborhoods disrupted and everything there is improvement. I suppose we can argue gentrification to fifth ward, but that's another topic.

Wrong way: Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, LoanDepot Park in Miami. As much as I like Miami, the way the stadium disrupts Little Havana is an embarrassment to Miami. Sure, it's not right on 8th St (calle ocho) in the middle of all the action. But nonetheless. And for Dodger Stadium's case, it doesn't disrupt a neighborhood in the same way that LoanDepot park does, but its too close downtown without being designed as such (its almost designed like a football stadium parking lot).

I haven't done a survey to see where a ballpark could fit in central Dallas that makes sense today. But were there a good place to do it, it is absolutely something that would be better than what there is in Arlington. For the NFL, it doesn't matter as much but for the MLB, it's the better approach.

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

What you're saying is entirely hypothetical. Urban baseball stadiums work well in many cities, so whether it can or can't work for Dallas, this doesn't change the fact that they do in many cities. There are right ways to approach building a central stadium

Right way: Wrigley Field (Chicago), Yankee Stadium (New York), Fenway Park (Boston), Great American Ball Park (Cincinnatti), Oracle Park (San Francisco), PNC Park (Pittsburgh) and of course Minute Maid Park (Houston).

This is the reason that what you're saying is irrelevant in this case. In Houston's example, there was not a lot going on at MMP or Eastern Downtown Houston in general until the turn of the century. The ball park was built, Toyota Center came soon after the Avenida district that surrounds the convention district. The Astros district and the "Next phase" of the Avenida/Convention district are about to break ground to further improve the area. There's no neighborhoods disrupted and everything there is improvement. I suppose we can argue gentrification to fifth ward, but that's another topic.

Wrong way: Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, LoanDepot Park in Miami. As much as I like Miami, the way the stadium disrupts Little Havana is an embarrassment to Miami. Sure, it's not right on 8th St (calle ocho) in the middle of all the action. But nonetheless. And for Dodger Stadium's case, it doesn't disrupt a neighborhood in the same way that LoanDepot park does, but its too close downtown without being designed as such (its almost designed like a football stadium parking lot).

I haven't done a survey to see where a ballpark could fit in central Dallas that makes sense today. But were there a good place to do it, it is absolutely something that would be better than what there is in Arlington. For the NFL, it doesn't matter as much but for the MLB, it's the better approach.

Stadiums in the central business district ARE a bad idea. I totally agree with R1070....I think EVERYBODY that's not from Houston agrees with R1070!!!

That's the reason it fizzled out with no smoke in Dallas....And if we DID do it it was planned to be on the very edge where a stadium PREVIOUSLY was (THAT WE GOT RID OF TO FREE UP SPACE) so it wouldn't silence the whole neighborhood during off season....

It's a TERRIBLE IDEA!!!!

[DaBears02]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Stadiums in the central business district ARE a bad idea. I totally agree with R1070....I think EVERYBODY that's not from Houston agrees with R1070!!!

That's the reason it fizzled out with no smoke in Dallas....And if we DID do it it was planned to be on the very edge where a stadium PREVIOUSLY was (THAT WE GOT RID OF TO FREE UP SPACE) so it wouldn't silence the whole neighborhood during off season....

It's a TERRIBLE IDEA!!!!

Ah yes petco park in SD totally silences the Gaslamp Quarter or Wrigley Field in Chicago silences Wrigleyville.

This is stupid logic. Urban baseball stadiums are a big thing in many cities across the country and a lot of them certainly don’t destroy or silence a neighborhood but rather improve them and spur development.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Stadiums in the central business district ARE a bad idea. I totally agree with R1070....I think EVERYBODY that's not from Houston agrees with R1070!!!

That's the reason it fizzled out with no smoke in Dallas....And if we DID do it it was planned to be on the very edge where a stadium PREVIOUSLY was (THAT WE GOT RID OF TO FREE UP SPACE) so it wouldn't silence the whole neighborhood during off season....

It's a TERRIBLE IDEA!!!!

If this is a common opinion in Dallas, no wonder the “Dallas is bland” rhetoric exists. Considering where MLB stadiums exist accross America, the correct statement is “no one that’s not from Dallas agrees”. Where are stadiums located in the city? NYC, Seattle, SF, Boston, Chicago, Miami (poorly done but still). Dallas is the exception, not the norm here. I suppose this also explains. Where are stadiums located wayyyyy far out of the city center? Dallas. Atlantas is sort of out but not in the burbs

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

If this is a common opinion in Dallas, no wonder the “Dallas is bland” rhetoric exists. Considering where MLB stadiums exist accross America, the correct statement is “no one that’s not from Dallas agrees”. Dallas is the exception, not the norm here

Uhhh...The mavs play 50 ft away...In an outter edge neighborhood to Downtown....How it should be.

[dallasboi]

As much space a stadium takes up you couldn't possibly think that space wouldn't be better used for four 40 story Apartment buildings that hold people YEAR ROUND!!!

[dallasboi]

Has anyone heard from Oil Capital????!!!

[atadytic19]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

This is the reason that what you're saying is irrelevant in this case. In Houston's example, there was not a lot going on at MMP or Eastern Downtown Houston in general until the turn of the century. The ball park was built, Toyota Center came soon after the Avenida district that surrounds the convention district. The Astros district and the "Next phase" of the Avenida/Convention district are about to break ground to further improve the area. There's no neighborhoods disrupted and everything there is improvement. I suppose we can argue gentrification to fifth ward, but that's another topic.

Yeah the area around MMP went from being a dead parking lot to the 1st or 2nd most active spot in Houston Downtown year round.

The stadium made a word of difference.