Houston vs. Dallas (Beaumont, Howe, China: restaurant, price, estimates)

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by NYer75

OK...so we have a 3k difference according to the US Census. That's a .02% difference. That's doesn't qualify Dallas as more diverse than Houston (South Asians).

So in addition to a diverse South Asian community (tied with Dallas), Houston has a higher Eastern Asian community than the Dallas/Metro area.
Which Dallas should have more of since the Dallas Metro area is bigger than Houston. Because as you say, the Asians are mostly out in the Burbs.

Which proves my point...Houston is more diverse than Dallas.

Let's not even get into the Latino community.

While the Latino community in Dallas is mainly Mexican, and Central American...Houston has a substantial Colombian, Cuban, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan population in addition to the typical Mexican/Central American Latino.

I don't disagree with you. My point was not that Dallas is more diverse than Houston because it isn't. But you said Dallas wasn't diverse and it deffinately is.

[Exult.Q36]

Originally Posted by Spade

Huh at your 2nd to last sentence. How do you come to the conclusion that DFW black population is poised to pass Houston black pooulation?

The last two decades DFW black population has out grew Houston. Look at the data. I am just going by current trends. Houston got a big boost in its black number last decade from hurricane Katrina. Look at the link you can see how the gap is fairly small. Its not something that is too far fetch. Quitely DFW has been getting a lot of blacks from West Coast and Midwest. I've met some of them and most of them are well educated.


Look at the data

US2010

[NYer75]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

Actually, East Texas is often considered to be westernmost extension of the Deep South.

Deep South - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's debatable (though, not right now), but I've always considered Houston to be a gateway to the Deep South.

I don't agree, but I'd be interested in hearing your explanation for this.

I don't see Houston as anything Deep South, except for the occasional Cajun restaurant that you can find in Dallas, too.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

Actually, East Texas is often considered to be westernmost extension of the Deep South.

Deep South - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's debatable (though, not right now), but I've always considered Houston to be a gateway to the Deep South.

I don't agree, but I'd be interested in hearing your explanation for this.

You can be a gateway and not actually be part of it or entirely in it. St. Louis is the gateway to the West. It is not in it. In Houstons case, only the northeastern burbs reminds me of deep south. Houston lies in the crossroads of several regions.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by justme02

I think your confusing segregation and diversity. Spending time in Uptown Dallas, you arent going to see any diversity. The demographics of the city of Dallas vs. the city of Houston are almost identical. Both cities are 42-44% Hispanic, about 1/4 black and 25-30% white. The biggest difference is that DFW's Asian community is almost entirely suburban. Houston has more Asians in the city. Houston has no zoning which forces things closer together.

As far as Asians go, Houston has a lot more East Asians (Chinese, Filipinos, etc), but DFW has a bit more South Asians (Indians, Sri Lankan, etc.). To me the charts FairladyZ posted are most telling. The only really big difference between DFW and Houston is the Hispanic and White communities. Houston is 7% more Hispanic and 10% less white. The black and Asian difference are much smaller whereas Houston is 1.8% more black and 1.1% more Asian which is not really significant. Another thing to remember is that Houston's geographic position in South Texas makes it more prime for non-whites. It sits kind of at a cross roads between South Texas (Hispanic) and the deep South (African American). DFW on the other hand is in the middle of the prairie which is mostly white outside the urban areas.

I also agree with the person who said DFW is about 10 years behind Houston. What Houston looks like now is what DFW will be in 10 years.

Hey, not so fast, you're missing something important here...

D/FW anchors the I-35 Corridor of Texas, which is a pretty darn dense stretch of interstate by Texas standards from Denton on down to San Antonio.

Houston sits all by its lonesome along the Texas Gulf Coast (except for the Golden Triangle), yet it is a lot closer to Austin & San Antonio than Dallas is. There is practically nothing at all between Houston & Austin/San Antonio just woodlands & prairie with rural towns along the way. Even I-45 between Houston & Dallas is not that developed.

[NYer75]

Originally Posted by justme02

I don't disagree with you. My point was not that Dallas is more diverse than Houston because it isn't. But you said Dallas wasn't diverse and it deffinately is.

OK. I agree.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by kdogg817

The last two decades DFW black population has out grew Houston. Look at the data. I am just going by current trends. Houston got a big boost in its black number last decade from hurricane Katrina. Look at the link you can see how the gap is fairly small. Its not something that is too far fetch. Quitely DFW has been getting a lot of blacks from West Coast and Midwest. I've met some of them and most of them are well educated.


Look at the data

US2010

I knew you were going off that. In that link, it says Houston has 1.029 milion blacks. But look here.

HoustonInBlack.com: Houston's African American Middle Class Population
It has Houston nearing 1.1.milliin blacks. Who to believe.

[Exult.Q36]

Originally Posted by Nairobi

In order for that to happen, DFW's black growth would have to remain steady while Houston's slowed waaaaaay down. There are no signs of that happening, so it's a pipe dream for now.

The gap is less than 47,000 now. They can still both grow at a pretty good clip and DFW still could pass Houston up in black numbers.

[Exult.Q36]

Originally Posted by Spade

I knew you were going off that. In that link, it says Houston has 1.029 milion blacks. But look here.

HoustonInBlack.com: Houston's African American Middle Class Population
It has Houston nearing 1.1.milliin blacks. Who to believe.

Acutually that 1.1 million is what Houston is pushing towards as of 2012 according to Houstoninblack.com. But the census data 2010 had the population at 1.029

[Spade]

Originally Posted by NYer75

I don't see Houston as anything Deep South, except for the occasional Cajun restaurant that you can find in Dallas, too.

The thing is that Houston (and Dallas) black population will agree that they are Southern. But the rest if the different groups are quick to say they are Texan or w/e than they are Southern. I am not talking about transplants and /or illegal immigrants. Im talking about born and raised Texans. Everybody in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia to an extent, and Louisuana (though that varies) will agree that they are Southern and holds those concentrated values dearly. You arent going to get that outside East Texas.