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Anyone who says our transportation system is just fine has never been to a city with an effective means of transit.
The TTC is 1000 miles from being fine. I don't know why there are actually people who think our transit is "fine". It is hardly fine for a city half of its size. Those people definitely haven't to many places outside Canada/North America.
^^^^^ it's hopeless, my friend. Señor Botticelli seems to think that even very urban areas of Toronto like Riverdale, St. Clair West, the Annex, Parkdale, Dundas West, Christie Pitts, Wallace Emerson and Junction Triangle are all suburban. Never mind trying to convince him that parts of North Toronto like Jane/Finch, Mount Dennis, Bayview and Sheppard, etc. are anything but suburban.
I do agree with him that parts of the city of Toronto are suburban in character (due to amalgamation, we inherited a lot of previously suburban municipalities). But his definition of urban would exclude most of Old Toronto as well. Even with Chicago, a city I know he likes, much of the area outside of the Loop would meet his definition of suburban (though he will certainly deny that for one reason or another). The same is true for almost all of Los Angeles, and pretty much all newer large American cities like Vegas, Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, Albuquerque, Tucson, and even older cities like Boston and Philadephia, which have compact downtowns surrounded by sprawling, dense inner-city neighbourhoods. Even our continent's pinnacle of urbanity - NYC - would find four of its five boroughs relegated to the status of suburb under Señor Botticelli's definition.
^I agree. I sound like a broken record just repeating myself over and over in different ways lol. But yeah I agree with your post overall. Many parts of the city are urban and some are not due to a variety of things.
The TTC is 1000 miles from being fine. I don't know why there are actually people who think our transit is "fine". It is hardly fine for a city half of its size. Those people definitely haven't to many places outside Canada/North America.
100% agree, although is there someone in this thread that thinks its completely fine and needs no improvement? I didnt get that impression.
^^ just curious, why do you keep calling me Señor Botticelli?
Señor is Spanish while Botticelli is Italian. :P should be "Signor".
You are correct. Forthwith, I will alter my Spanish tendencies and address you in the proper Italian form. Maybe it's because I've always preferred Spanish art over Italian
The TTC is 1000 miles from being fine. I don't know why there are actually people who think our transit is "fine". It is hardly fine for a city half of its size. Those people definitely haven't to many places outside Canada/North America.
Or Manhattan. There's a city with an extremely effective world-class transit system.
There is a reason many people say TTC stands for "Take The Car". It's an expensive, overrated and inefficient mass transit system in desperate need of a complete overhaul. Unfortunately, it doesn't suffer from problems that will ever be effectively solved by simply throwing money at them. Toronto has been doing that for years and what we see now is a direct result of that type of thinking.
Unfortunately, it doesn't suffer from problems that will ever be effectively solved by simply throwing money at them. Toronto has been doing that for years and what we see now is a direct result of that type of thinking.
Yes, everyone says TTC is bad because the lack of provincial funding. that's far from the whole truth. Throwing more money into a corrupted and highly inefficient organization without some fundamental reform is not helpful and the marginal benefit is small. We should all know that one thing that most of our government organizations are best at is to waste money. E-health, ornge, Oakville gas plants... they never blink their eyes throwing millions of dollars away, and these are only the scandals we know.
I believe Metrolinx's Big Move plan is the best bet for getting us an excellent transit system. The only thing it lacks (and which seems to be on no one's radar) is an express line running parallel to, or beneath the Yonge Line, from Union to Finch.
The problem is that Rob Ford doesn't back the plan and is more concerned with getting a casino built here. Of all the surrounding municipalities that will benefit from improved transit, only Mississauga is willing to put its money where it's mouth is. And at the provincial level, Tim Hudak is still somehow convinced that transit expansion can be funded by private industry (because that has worked so well over the last 50 years) and Andrea Horwath wants to fund it solely with an increase to corporate taxes. Only Kathleen Wynne backs Metrolinx completely, and she leads a minority government teetering on the edge.
So our best chance for finally getting the transit system we need looks like it going in the dustbin, along with all the other expansion plans tabled over the decades. The only thing we can do is call our city councillors (especially for those residents who have a member of Ford's inner circle as their councillor, or live in a municipality whose mayor is opposed to fees and tolls) and our MPP's, and tell them that we support the Metrolinx plan and are willing to pay for better transit.
100% agree, although is there someone in this thread that thinks its completely fine and needs no improvement? I didnt get that impression.
The TTC is decades behind compared to other transit systems and needs a major expansion/overhaul. I honestly cant see why anyone would think its just "fine"....
The transit system is just fine. I have yet to meet a person who could not get to where they are going via the TTC. I rarely use it because I am poor- 6 dollars a round trip. That is a pack of cheap smokes...It's either go somewhere or stay and home and smoke. If I can not walk to where I am going or borrow a family members bus pass I stay static. Far as poor pitiful me....I don't care about the better way and attempting to make it better.
O man - that cracked me up. Thanks.
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