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I usually don't have a problem: people are almost always considerate enough not to do a full recline and a partial one doesn't impinge on my space. When I recline myself I do it just enough to get more comfortable and then stop.
In terms of politeness and priority I think someone's ability to fit their legs in the seat matters more than reclining matters more than use of the tray; and that's how I act and have had the fortune of people around me generally acting as well -- granted I only fly a few times a year so it might just be luck..
This. This is how people USED to behave, and if they could go back to this, then the problems would go away.
1. Ask the person behind you -- that is the polite thing to do.
2. PARTIAL recline. Don't care how long the flight is -- this isn't the Ritz, it's a plane. If you need to lay out, go to first class.
I have to say I am not sure what the fuss is all about. I have had people in front of me recline and didn't impact my space all that much. I haven't flown in several years though so maybe things have changed.
I have to say I am not sure what the fuss is all about. I have had people in front of me recline and didn't impact my space all that much. I haven't flown in several years though so maybe things have changed.
Seat pitch -- the space between the seats row to row -- has decreased. The airlines have to make their money. And passengers demand low prices.
So we have this "perfect storm" of awful, where a bunch of special snowflakes all think they get to lean their seats back 180 degrees. (You can search this thread to see this attitude in action.) And we also have the perfect storm of awful where passengers are buying plastic gadgets that make it impossible for the seat in front of them to recline.
And fights are breaking out and planes are being diverted and fines are being levied and there is much butthurt on Internet fora.
And there is a small subset of people, including myself, who come with a biological "knee defender," otherwise known as knees. We're so flippin' tall, that if we sit behind anyone, they are incapable of reclining. Me, and a few other people on this thread are living, biological "knee-defenders." And we don't have any choice in the matter.
The totally freakin' butt-hurt special snowflakes insist that we buy first-class tickets, ignoring the fact that there are a half-dozen seats in coach that even an NBA superstar can fit into, albeit uncomfortably. Ridiculously tall people comprise less than 1% of the population. But airlines have more than 1% "it sucks but it works" seats available.
That is the debate the way I see it.
And PS -- The airline employees move heaven and earth to make sure that not only do I get a seat that doesn't leave me in agony, they do so in a way that me being in that seat doesn't affect anyone at all. I cannot begin to express how much I love airline employees. Ticket agents. Gate agents. Flight attendants. Every single one of them has gone way above and way beyond the baseline level of customer service. There is no profession I love more than airline workers. Most people treat them like crap. But yet they'll hunker down in front of that ancient computer and make my life pleasant just because they look at me and decide, "I gotta help that guy."
I'd buy every single one of them a beer if I could.
Something has to give... or planes will be doing lots of unscheduled landings.
And seriously, a passenger demands they land the plane over a seat issue, AND THEY DO?? Holy crap, it's THAT EASY>??
LOL I'm not even sure what to say about that...
There was a pilot interviewed on WTMJ radio this morning who said that if there is a disturbance interfering with the flight crew on the issue, he will land and let the federal marshals take care of it.
All it will take are a few arrests and things will calm down.
Mom always told me to be considerate of others. Obviously, many of you had the same type of Mom and a few were brought up as entitled brats. Tall people have their challenges as do short people. As a tall guy, when I go to the movies I try and sit in back as to not block the view of the shorter patrons. It's my right buying a ticket to sit anywhere I like, but I try and be considerate of others even if it means I don't get an optimal seat. Same when I get in a car with others. Usually the seat is all the way back. With others in the car, my comfort is compromised. No big deal as that's what caring considerate people do.
For those that ask if they can recline, I'm truly sorry if my knees are in the way. For those that choose to slam their seat back without asking, well, Karma's a B***.
Wait, so it is about the seat you paid for, but the person behind you, it is not about the seat they paid for? A person's legs fit just fine, if the airline had a policy against not allowing seats to recline, they would not allow a person over a certain height to purchase in certain rows, now would they? So since the airlines have not shown concern, it is obvious you do not have any sole "rights" to recline your seat.
I paid for a seat that reclines. If someone prevents me from using that seat in the manner it was meant to be used, they are no different than an obese person who can't put down teh armrest, and should buy the space they need.
This. This is how people USED to behave, and if they could go back to this, then the problems would go away.
1. Ask the person behind you -- that is the polite thing to do.
2. PARTIAL recline. Don't care how long the flight is -- this isn't the Ritz, it's a plane. If you need to lay out, go to first class.
Considering seats only recline a few degrees, a "partial" recline is no different than upright. Not going to do a red eye with my seat upright, I don't care who is behind me. I will keep banging that seat back until either they move or the plane is landed and they are escorted off for purposely screwing with my seat because they didn't bother to book a seat they can actually fit into.
Seat pitch -- the space between the seats row to row -- has decreased. The airlines have to make their money. And passengers demand low prices.
So we have this "perfect storm" of awful, where a bunch of special snowflakes all think they get to lean their seats back 180 degrees. (You can search this thread to see this attitude in action.) And we also have the perfect storm of awful where passengers are buying plastic gadgets that make it impossible for the seat in front of them to recline.
And fights are breaking out and planes are being diverted and fines are being levied and there is much butthurt on Internet fora.
And there is a small subset of people, including myself, who come with a biological "knee defender," otherwise known as knees. We're so flippin' tall, that if we sit behind anyone, they are incapable of reclining. Me, and a few other people on this thread are living, biological "knee-defenders." And we don't have any choice in the matter.
The totally freakin' butt-hurt special snowflakes insist that we buy first-class tickets, ignoring the fact that there are a half-dozen seats in coach that even an NBA superstar can fit into, albeit uncomfortably. Ridiculously tall people comprise less than 1% of the population. But airlines have more than 1% "it sucks but it works" seats available.
That is the debate the way I see it.
And PS -- The airline employees move heaven and earth to make sure that not only do I get a seat that doesn't leave me in agony, they do so in a way that me being in that seat doesn't affect anyone at all. I cannot begin to express how much I love airline employees. Ticket agents. Gate agents. Flight attendants. Every single one of them has gone way above and way beyond the baseline level of customer service. There is no profession I love more than airline workers. Most people treat them like crap. But yet they'll hunker down in front of that ancient computer and make my life pleasant just because they look at me and decide, "I gotta help that guy."
I'd buy every single one of them a beer if I could.
No one expects a 180 degree recline unless they are in first on a long haul. They do expect to be able to recline the seat that they booked as a reclining seat. If a seat is broken, the airline compensates the passenger. The passenger causing the seat to be "broken" should be the one paying that compensation. They could avoid that by simply buying the space they need. But instead they are CHEAP.
Mom always told me to be considerate of others. Obviously, many of you had the same type of Mom and a few were brought up as entitled brats. Tall people have their challenges as do short people. As a tall guy, when I go to the movies I try and sit in back as to not block the view of the shorter patrons. It's my right buying a ticket to sit anywhere I like, but I try and be considerate of others even if it means I don't get an optimal seat. Same when I get in a car with others. Usually the seat is all the way back. With others in the car, my comfort is compromised. No big deal as that's what caring considerate people do.
For those that ask if they can recline, I'm truly sorry if my knees are in the way. For those that choose to slam their seat back without asking, well, Karma's a B***.
Being considerate of others would mean buying a seat with enough legroom that I wouldn't infringe on their ability to recline their seat. Why is that such a difficult concept to understand? If you were "truly sorry" you would book a seat where your legs would not be in the way. Otherwise it's just pathetic lip service.
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So the mantra on reclining seats has been upgrade to more room..BAH
