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Old 04-28-2020, 01:55 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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What facts in the Snopes article do you disagree with? Be specific, please.

The Gates foundation participated in the October pandemic table exercise. So did Johns Hopkins University. Do you have issues with Johns Hopkins, too? No? Then your antivax bias is showing with regards to Gates.

It was the politicians who did not listen to the scientists, including Dr. Fauci, who had warned for years about another SARS virus emerging.

At the time when the comments about person to person spread and the perceived risk to the US were made, the extent of person to person transmission and longer duration of spreading from asymptomatic people were not known. No one could predict that SARS-CoV-2 would behave so differently from the 2003 SARS virus.

All you have done with this post is confirm what I said: what Dr. Fauci has said has changed based on new evidence as it became available. That was inevitable.
I didn't say I disagreed with that article, I take issue with Snopes bias in general.

I'm sorry but if I knew something was going terribly wrong, Fauci should have known. My infection control experience is only afforded me by my RN. An acute care hospital RN. Fauci is an expert. It was OBVIOUS there was person to person transmission, including asymptomatic transmission as well.

 
Old 04-28-2020, 05:02 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Summary, please?

He's saying that Fauci/Birx/Redner/etc. aren't taking the time to fully explain to John Q. Public why they are making the decisions that they are. That they are presenting themselves as the ultimate, final authority, beyond reproach, and that they are basically saying "trust us", in a condescending manner.

Why aren't they explaining to us the pro's and con's of locking down early, vs. locking down late... and whether or not social distancing at a particular time point relative to the pandemic spread makes any mathematical difference in the total number of people that we expect to die. The maker of the video says that these numbers are simple to explain, yet they aren't being discussed. He says that we know alot about these numbers, despite this virus being novel. We know that these numbers are dependent on population density, on living conditions, on transportation patterns. We are not going to need to invent new math to understand this outbreak. He is imploring people to read up on basic epidemiology, so that we can (when necessary) challenge the decisions being made by those in power. He goes on a slight rant about the CARES act, with regards to how it incentivizes hospitals to inflate the # of covid cases/deaths. Lastly, he claims that testing is given priority in locations where the R naught is going down, and that by testing only sick people, the R naught is thus inflated back to a higher value.
 
Old 04-28-2020, 05:28 PM
 
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Coronavirus hits. And now the U.S. Navy releases footage of UFO encounters.

WE HAVE BEEN VISITED BY ALIENS WHICH BROUGHT WITH THEM THE CORONAVIRUS. AND NOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS EASING THE IDEA OF ALIEN LIFE ON US BY RELEASING THE UFO FOOTAGE.

In addition, now we read the coronavirus attacks the blood system, resulting in severe clotting, just like in the movie "The Andromeda Strain" which was an early U.S. covert propaganda effort to get us used to the idea of alien life.

It is all a conspiracy. As another example, just like the use of flu vaccines in the X-Files, another covert propaganda effort.

Keep watching the skies!
 
Old 04-28-2020, 05:39 PM
 
Location: PRC
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Originally Posted by icy tea
There's been a war on our food production for a while now. Anti wheat, the anti gluten propaganda has increased. They still push GMO corn despite is negative impact on the environment and the health problems corn syrup causes. Dairy has been under fire and we're told to drink artificial concoctions like soy milk and almond milk. Now they want us to stop eating meat to fight global warming. This is convenient.
It is not on foood production, it is on the health of the nation. 40% of people in the USA are obese and are just keeping the health insurance companies making millions of profit. People do not want to suffer and get cancer, diabetes, and other illnesses, so why are they eating so much bad stuff?

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ALL of the changes wrought by this are "convenient"; sure makes you wonder! Either they got lucky with a naturally occurring event and are just exploiting it to the hilt, or...???
exploiting it, of course. What do you expect?

Aliens have been here for thousands of years, whats new?
 
Old 04-28-2020, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by coschristi View Post
I didn't say I disagreed with that article, I take issue with Snopes bias in general.

I'm sorry but if I knew something was going terribly wrong, Fauci should have known. My infection control experience is only afforded me by my RN. An acute care hospital RN. Fauci is an expert. It was OBVIOUS there was person to person transmission, including asymptomatic transmission as well.
Well, do not accuse the writer of the article of being biased just because it is Snopes, then.

Yep, it was obvious once it was obvious. Not so much before it was obvious and the long asymptomatic period was identified.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 05:58 AM
 
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Masks are now "mandatory" where I live. Anyone else wonder why the SG was telling us they were useless, even harmful, and now they're required? How dumb do they think we are???
 
Old 04-29-2020, 06:20 AM
 
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Masks are now "mandatory" where I live. Anyone else wonder why the SG was telling us they were useless, even harmful, and now they're required? How dumb do they think we are???
The average person is really stupid and in most cases does not have the mental capability to make intelligent choices for themselves.

The problem is getting people to wear the correct kind of mask. Then you have all the scammers trying to sell masks and saying their completely worthless mask is the type that works.

Form fitting masks like N95s are to help keep you from catching anything.

All those loose fitting ER/doctor type masks are to keep the person wearing it from spreading disease. These type of mask can make it worse because they do not filter anything. They are open on the sides and can trap the virus in it till you breath it in.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 07:56 AM
 
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Masks are now "mandatory" where I live. Anyone else wonder why the SG was telling us they were useless, even harmful, and now they're required? How dumb do they think we are???
I don't know who the SG is, or why I should know. But I do know that in the early stages of the disease it was not believed the virus could be transmitted from human to human. Then there was also the problem of vastly inadequate supplies of all personal protective equipment.
 
Old 04-29-2020, 08:20 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by GreenPluto View Post
Coronavirus hits. And now the U.S. Navy releases footage of UFO encounters.

WE HAVE BEEN VISITED BY ALIENS WHICH BROUGHT WITH THEM THE CORONAVIRUS. AND NOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS EASING THE IDEA OF ALIEN LIFE ON US BY RELEASING THE UFO FOOTAGE.

In addition, now we read the coronavirus attacks the blood system, resulting in severe clotting, just like in the movie "The Andromeda Strain" which was an early U.S. covert propaganda effort to get us used to the idea of alien life.

It is all a conspiracy. As another example, just like the use of flu vaccines in the X-Files, another covert propaganda effort.

Keep watching the skies!


But it was bats! They said it was from bats!
 
Old 04-29-2020, 08:28 AM
 
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But it was bats! They said it was from bats!
But "they" (whoever "they" are) lie.
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