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Without question one of the best posts I've seen in 4+ years on the site.
Gee thanks! Makes me wonder though, if I've peaked so soon there's only one way I can go from here!
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Originally Posted by BRYN FEDW
Remember though..If you insist on ignoring the elephant in the room, you WILL be trampled on....
Sure, there are a miniscule number of British Muslims who want to and have actually succeeded in killing themselves and members of the public. There are a miniscule number of other British Muslims who want the UK to become an Islamic State. There are a host of other legitimate concerns a reasonable person might hold in relation to these tiny minorities of British Muslims, but the media sensationalism surrounding these legitimate concerns is contrived and blown out of proportion to the actual threat posed. To take the opening post as an example, the claim is that 1 in 3 British Muslim students support 'killing for Islam'. Below I have quoted the question actually asked in the survey the story is based on, and the relevant summary of the responses.
"Is it ever justifiable to kill in the name of religion?"
Yes, in order to preserve and promote that religion - 4%
Yes, but only if that religion is under attack - 28%"
As the article in the Guardian amply describes, the reporting of this information in the Daily Mail is so mis-leading that it is difficult to resist the idea that such stories are a deliberate attempt to demonise an entire section of society. If it were an isolated incident I might ascribe this to journalistic incompetence, but there are enough similar examples in the Daily Mail and its gutter press brethren to suspect deliberate intent. Quite what the overall goal of the perpetrators is evades me, but the effect is more than clear as our friend in this thread demonstrates.
Sure, there are a miniscule number of British Muslims who want to and have actually succeeded in killing themselves and members of the public. There are a miniscule number of other British Muslims who want the UK to become an Islamic State. There are a host of other legitimate concerns a reasonable person might hold in relation to these tiny minorities of British Muslims, but the media sensationalism surrounding these legitimate concerns is contrived and blown out of proportion to the actual threat posed. To take the opening post as an example, the claim is that 1 in 3 British Muslim students support 'killing for Islam'. Below I have quoted the question actually asked in the survey the story is based on, and the relevant summary of the responses.
"Is it ever justifiable to kill in the name of religion?"
Yes, in order to preserve and promote that religion - 4%
Yes, but only if that religion is under attack - 28%"
As the article in the Guardian amply describes, the reporting of this information in the Daily Mail is so mis-leading that it is difficult to resist the idea that such stories are a deliberate attempt to demonise an entire section of society. If it were an isolated incident I might ascribe this to journalistic incompetence, but there are enough similar examples in the Daily Mail and its gutter press brethren to suspect deliberate intent. Quite what the overall goal of the perpetrators is evades me, but the effect is more than clear as our friend in this thread demonstrates.
Eoin
A damn shame that so many Muslims classify "being a Kuffar" as an attack on Islam.
brits (and western europeans in general) seem to me to have an exagerrated idea of how dangerous and violent their society is.
Not really. Crime has been going up in britain for quite some time. Things aren't any better on the continent. The problem is neither the british nor the europeans are getting a truthful picture from the press if only because of your hate speech laws. When europeans try to say something about it they are blasted as "racists." It's all completely pathetic.
However, now that the leaders of britain and germany have simply stated multiculturalism isn't working........I'm wondering just who is going to be able to hold the damn back if europeans and britains "somehow" start developing spines.
While I don't support the Wikileaks outing of secret documents, there are certainly some interesting things we are finding out as a result of it. It is no wonder the results of this survey were never released to the public.
If the story was true it would be news to me, however it's such a gutter press mis-representation of the actual facts that it makes me wonder whether it is a deliberately orchestrated effort to demonise Muslims.
Having been born in the UK and growing up in a suburb of London till I was 30 I can tell you first hand that Muslim immgrants have destroyed the quality of life in whole areas of London and the UK. Time and time again the Labour party has undermined the very fabric of British culture by appeasing these people. Its laughable for some people on here to quote the "PC" Guardian newspaper as their opinion means nothing to the average working person in Britain. Its a paper read by champage socialists or socialists working in the public sector who have appeased Muslims, dumping them onto working class council estates while themselves moving out to "unenriched areas". The Daily Mail may sensationize on occasion but a lot of what it reports about Muslims in Britain is true. It also may be a good question to ask why the BBC does not take a better interest rather than sweeping reports of Muslim aggression in the UK under the carpet. A prime example is cases of grooming white girls in the North by Muslims............
Anyone who seriously thinks that a large proportion of Muslims in Britain don't at least passively despise Britain and its culture are living in serious denial. Its well documented that many terrorist cells and groups have history in British Mosques and we all know that for 15 years Britain under the Labour party has welcomed Muslim "preachers of hate" with open arms to live in the UK on benefits.
I also never hear many Muslims or their "comunity leaders" condeming violence or radical Islam, why is that? Instead they would rather antagonize issue such as the stupid cartoons and riot outside theatres when a play is no to their liking.
People should read Melanie Phillips book "Londonistan" and anyone who seriously thinks the UK doesn't have a problem with Islam is living in complete denial........or hates the British culture as well..............
it is a problem where i live the sheer number muslims in the area, theres not enough jobs for the people here yet hundreds more come every year, theres also a problem with young muslim gangs and young white gangs who don't get on, i have heard a lot of asians say openly that they don't like seeing women out having a good time on a friday night and other things they think is wrong with the country, i am not a racist, but also not naive enough to think that its not a major problem in britain, that increasingly we are not getting along with each other, the muslim community obviously feels cut off from the general public, i just feel in my area at least and no doubt in others there is a tension in the air that is going somewhere, i don't know where, but i think it won't be nice when we do get there. i don't have the answers to solve this problem, but surely people coming to this country have to try and adapt a bit at least to our culture
It's nice to see Britain being culturally "enriched" by islam/muslims.
They don't have your history. However, even if they did, I doubt they could profit from it. The western europeans have been living a kind of "alice in wonderland" existence since ww2.
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