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Human beings have been killing each other since the year one, long before so-called countries ever existed.
Exactly, which is why it was dumb on his part to single out two countries. You either care about all of history or none at all. There are no two ways about it.
Exactly, which is why it was dumb on his part to single out two countries. You either care about all of history or none at all. There are no two ways about it.
The use of Polonium-210 in the past and now a Military Grade Nerve Agents is rightly very concerning.
Would Americans be happy if the Russians left a trial of radiation across NYC or spread deadly military grade nerve agents across a busy US town as well as poisoning a US Police Officer and two other people who were out having a meal at a restaurant.
Using such banned weapons in another country is a very serious matter, indeed the nerve agent is apparently more powerful than the VX which killed Kim Jong-nam at Kuala Lumpur airport in 2017.
The use of Polonium-210 in the past and now a Military Grade Nerve Agents is rightly very concerning.
Would Americans be happy if the Russians left a trial of radiation across NYC or spread deadly military grade nerve agents across a busy US town as well as poisoning a US Police Officer and two other people who were out having a meal at a restaurant.
Using such banned weapons in another country is a very serious matter, indeed the nerve agent is apparently more powerful than the VX which killed Kim Jong-nam at Kuala Lumpur airport in 2017.
Oh but I don't believe it will happen in America, since all the wealthy Russians buying up real estate ( in Trump's Towers including,) are Putin's cronies ( and that was happening already for long time, before Trump even popped up in a picture.) Those who live in London are mostly the people who fell out with him. And that's the difference.
Yet the question remains ( for me at least.)
So to begin with - Scripal was in Russian prison for a number of years - enough to finish him off, had Putin intended to do so.
Then he lived for about 10 years in London - yet again an ample time to murder him.
So why NOW, ahead of that major football event in Moscow?
This is an odd timing.
I am open to any possible explanations, particularly in light that ( as Pokito says) British investigation is refusing to provide the samples of poison for analysis ( again - why?)
The use of Polonium-210 in the past and now a Military Grade Nerve Agents is rightly very concerning.
Would Americans be happy if the Russians left a trial of radiation across NYC or spread deadly military grade nerve agents across a busy US town as well as poisoning a US Police Officer and two other people who were out having a meal at a restaurant.
Using such banned weapons in another country is a very serious matter, indeed the nerve agent is apparently more powerful than the VX which killed Kim Jong-nam at Kuala Lumpur airport in 2017.
Oh, it would be very worrisome indeed. What annoyed me with that user's post was that he felt the need to single out two countries given that so many are responsible for atrocities.
This is hardly the first time such an incident happened. Throughout the 80's and 90's Iran was carrying out attacks against dissidents living abroad. Russia already pulled that stunt a decade ago in the UK, so they've got quite a bit of experience in that department.
Oh, it would be very worrisome indeed. What annoyed me with that user's post was that he felt the need to single out two countries given that so many are responsible for atrocities.
This is hardly the first time such an incident happened. Throughout the 80's and 90's Iran was carrying out attacks against dissidents living abroad. Russia already pulled that stunt a decade ago in the UK, so they've got quite a bit of experience in that department.
The Russians have quite a history when it comes to poisoning, they have been involved in two confirmed poisoning in London before, that of Georgi Markov with a poison ricin tipped umbrella pellet and Alexander Litvinenko who had polonium-210 slipped in to his tea, leaving a trial of radaiation across London, and know we have this. If you look at Russia's hstory they are always poisoning each other, it's the Russian way, whilst anyone who stands in the way of Putin is usually found dead in mysterious circumstances.
They can deny this just like they deny being involved in the US Elections, just as they deny doping their winter olympic team, just as they deny any involvement in the shooting down of flight MH17 despite CCTV showing the anti-aircraft system going back over the Russian border and just as they denied having anything to do with Markov and Litinenko. Their denials and petty threats mean very little, as we have seen it all before.
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If this is a true matter of your concern, I'll contact my liaisons in Iran. I'll see what I can do.
Just for you, Easthome.
Ta, I never thought I would see the day but Abramovich isn't rich enough any more! We need somebody to outspend that lot at City or PSG. Instead of spending ten's of millions you now need to spend hundreds of millions to get to the top!
Alexander Litvinenko who had polonium-210 slipped in to his tea, leaving a trial of radaiation across London,
This is a singularly ignorant statement.
The amount of Po210 used to poison Litvinenko was 10 micrograms, there would be traces where he was poisoned, possibly in his urine, but none of these would contain higher amounts of Po210 than is known he consumed. In 138 days there would only be 5 micrograms of Po210 (it's half life). Finally Litvinenko wasn't leaking bodily fluids to leave a trail of radio isotopes across London, he wasn't even emitting Alpha particles (because they don't penetrate the epidermis from either outside in or inside out) and it took the AWE to even consider radionuclide poisoning after discovery of a 803keV spike in his urine indicating possible Po210 poisoning.
The net contamination from Litvinenko was probably less than the daily consumption of bananas in London (bananas containing high concentrations of Potassium, of which several isotopes are radioactive enough to trigger radio isotope detectors at sea ports).
So the ignorance is in repeating the claim, with not fact checking whether it's even possible he did leave a radioactive trail (of any meaningful concern).
Ta, I never thought I would see the day but Abramovich isn't rich enough any more! We need somebody to outspend that lot at City or PSG. Instead of spending ten's of millions you now need to spend hundreds of millions to get to the top!
The amount of Po210 used to poison Litvinenko was 10 micrograms, there would be traces where he was poisoned, possibly in his urine, but none of these would contain higher amounts of Po210 than is known he consumed. In 138 days there would only be 5 micrograms of Po210 (it's half life). Finally Litvinenko wasn't leaking bodily fluids to leave a trail of radio isotopes across London, he wasn't even emitting Alpha particles (because they don't penetrate the epidermis from either outside in or inside out) and it took the AWE to even consider radionuclide poisoning after discovery of a 803keV spike in his urine indicating possible Po210 poisoning.
The net contamination from Litvinenko was probably less than the daily consumption of bananas in London (bananas containing high concentrations of Potassium, of which several isotopes are radioactive enough to trigger radio isotope detectors at sea ports).
So the ignorance is in repeating the claim, with not fact checking whether it's even possible he did leave a radioactive trail (of any meaningful concern).
The trail was left by the people who poisoned him, at the hotel and other places, they tried to poison him a number of times before being succesful, indeed he even vomited after one attempt and a shisha pipe which Lugovoi (one of his alleged killers) smoked on the terrace of a Moroccan Restaurant was found to be contaminated.
There was a radioactive trial left across hotel rooms, restaurants, sushi bars, a football stadium, on aircraft and in numerous other places, indeed 40 sites in all, and this was mentioned in Parliament at the time and in the later public inquiry.
After being succesfully poisoned Litvinenko fell ill and was admitted to UCL Hospital. Litvinenko later died of radioactive poisoning, the poison having been identified by nuclear scientists due to it's rarity. Litvinenko was then subject to a postmortem under strict safety conditions and then according to media reports was buried in a lead lined coffin at Highgate Cemetery West.
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The government's civil contingencies committee, Cobra, met four times in the week after the attack. They were concerned about causing alarm by closing contaminated hotels.
A source told Newsnight that they even tested the London Underground - both trains and stations - and found traces of polonium. This remained secret at the time to avoid public panic.
"We were finding polonium in aircraft on which people involved in this inquiry had flown, in a football stadium, in restaurants, in hotels. And of course the public were very understandably very concerned," says Peter Clarke. More than 40 sites were contaminated.
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