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Oh, Russia is enjoying them very much, some of their companies actually are asking for more!!!... .they are helping them enormously to kick the Dutch disease (over-reliance on natural resource revenue, typical of resource rich countries)
Goldman Sachs is predicting GDP growth at almost 3.5%, something Western Europe would kill for.
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Putin's Russia should have felt the wrath of the west years ago when they started mudering innocent
Pray your lucky stars that the UK will never feel the wrath of Russia.....it would not be pretty... ...would you cry for Daddy's help then?? LOL
Just in reply to Boris Johnson idiotic and enormously offensive Hitler comment....
England Team Nazi salute in 1938......
I really feel sorry for British folks having to endure this bunch of clowns in power....
Oh, Russia is enjoying them very much, some of their companies actually are asking for more!!!... .they are helping them enormously to kick the Dutch disease (over-reliance on natural resource revenue, typical of resource rich countries)
Goldman Sachs is predicting GDP growth at almost 3.5%, something Western Europe would kill for.
Six more years of stagnation and an economy, Putin the economic genius.
Pray your lucky stars that the UK will never feel the wrath of Russia.....it would not be pretty... ...would you cry for Daddy's help then?? LOL
No we would just invoke Article 5 and the whole of NATO would attack Russia if any member state were attacked.
Russia spends $70 Billion on Defence, America with Trumps latest increase will now spend ten times as much at $700 Billion, whilst the EU spent $226.73 billion in 2016 and is increasing it's defence expensiture. So that's $70 Billion versus over $900 Billion. We are just shaking in our shoesm, and btw there are US Military Bases in the UK. Britain and France alone spend more on Defence collectively than Russia does.
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Just in reply to Boris Johnson idiotic and enormously offensive Hitler comment....
England Team Nazi salute in 1938......
I really feel sorry for British folks having to endure this bunch of clowns in power....
Johnson just said that Putin would use the games as some nationalist parade, as in 1938.
As for Britain we fought Hitler and declared war on Germany in 1939, so your photo doesn't mean a thing. You clearly don't have a good grasp of history.
I feel really sorry for Russian folk having to endure a bunch of corrupt evil oeganised criminals in charge of their country, who go around rigging elections and killing any one that dares question them or stand in their way.
The trail was left by the people who poisoned him, at the hotel and other places, they tried to poison him a number of times before being succesful, indeed he even vomited after one attempt and a shisha pipe which Lugovoi (one of his alleged killers) smoked on the terrace of a Moroccan Restaurant was found to be contaminated.
There was a radioactive trial left across hotel rooms, restaurants, sushi bars, a football stadium, on aircraft and in numerous other places, indeed 40 sites in all, and this was mentioned in Parliament at the time and in the later public inquiry.
After being succesfully poisoned Litvinenko fell ill and was admitted to UCL Hospital. Litvinenko later died of radioactive poisoning, the poison having been identified by nuclear scientists due to it's rarity. Litvinenko was then subject to a postmortem under strict safety conditions and then according to media reports was buried in a lead lined coffin at Highgate Cemetery West.
Sorry missed this.
You don't know whether the Po was from the poisoners. Fly Ash from coal plants contains trace Po, and other radionuclides that can decay to Po210, like radon, and tobacco can contain traces too.
The issue is claims are just that, we don't know trace background of Po, and so we don't know that the claimed contamination is by the poisoners, or naturally (as in from non-malicious sources) occurring, or whether the investigation was solely looking for strong Alpha emitters which is easily explained by Americium that is commonly used in smoke detectors. Further Po210 sitting on a surface isn't going to cause harm, unless you lick or inhale it, any alpha will be simple helium by the time it crosses a few inches.
You don't know whether the Po was from the poisoners. Fly Ash from coal plants contains trace Po, and other radionuclides that can decay to Po210, like radon, and tobacco can contain traces too.
The issue is claims are just that, we don't know trace background of Po, and so we don't know that the claimed contamination is by the poisoners, or naturally (as in from non-malicious sources) occurring, or whether the investigation was solely looking for strong Alpha emitters which is easily explained by Americium that is commonly used in smoke detectors. Further Po210 sitting on a surface isn't going to cause harm, unless you lick or inhale it, any alpha will be simple helium by the time it crosses a few inches.
There was a Soctland Yard Investigation and a 300 page public inquiry which both came to the conclusion that Mr Litvinenko was poisoned using Poloniun-210 by Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun on the orders of Vladimir Putin. The Inquiry heard from a number of scientists, forensic experts, medical experts including the pathologist and was held at the request of the Coroners Office. Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun had both previously been charged with murder in their absence by Scotland Yard and an extradition request was sent to Russia but denied.
In terms of the nuclear forensic evidence it was gathered by scientists from the Atomic Weapons Eastablishment (AWE) with support from Toxicologists, the Health Protection Agency (HPA) and other scientific and university research departments at UCL and elsewhere.
To "show" to whom exactly?
If you think that it's something that was directed at Russian public, your perception of Russians is wrong.
What many of them (supporting Putin) definitely enjoyed, was his latest announcement on the new weapons.
But when it comes to the latest incident in London, the majority of them ( yet again those supporting Putin) consider it to be some conspiracy OR "mafia deals" in London.
They DO NOT give Putin credit for this one, neither do they consider it a "credit" in general under the circumstances.
As far as everyone is concerned, this man was no threat to state or Putin for this matter.
does not matter.
through putin's action abroad and the image he has created, he gets the blame.
So far, reality on the ground it's a different story, agricultural exports are actually surpassing military hardware exports, the latest projections are for well over 3% growth.....feel free to argue with Goldman Sachs and other that may know a thing or two more than you about economic forecasting....
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No we would just invoke Article 5 and the whole of NATO would attack Russia if any member state were attacked.
In an hypothetical scenario, UK has to survive to the first attack.....
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Russia spends $70 Billion on Defence, America with Trumps latest increase will now spend ten times as much at $700 Billion, whilst the EU spent $226.73 billion in 2016 and is increasing it's defence expensiture. So that's $70 Billion versus over $900 Billion. We are just shaking in our shoesm, and btw there are US Military Bases in the UK. Britain and France alone spend more on Defence collectively than Russia does.
Citing $$$ spent on defense does not mean much, the most important aspect is how well you spend that money (hint: the F-35 disaster)...Russians are notoriously frugal, the Pentagon budget is notoriously obscenely inflated with charges not directly related to the quality of the final product.
To make a long story short, if, let's say, Russia can produce a fighter jet as good as a comparable Western fighter jet for a fraction of the cost, it does not matter the number of nominal amount $$$ spent on defense, you still have a fighter jet.
If Putin new weapons are really at the operational stage (let's take him at his word for sake of discussion) the West basically pissed in the wind all the money spent on ballistic missile defense systems.
Russia was able to mount a decisive military operation in Syria without spending too much, according to many western observers.
Take away from Russia budget the huge development (or modernization) costs for a big blue water navy...they do not need one and they specifically said they do not want one (other than fast highly manoeuvrable attack submarines already in place and others rapidly being developed) since they have no global hegemony/world policing plans...many Russian military commanders and strategists have clearly stated and warned that in any (hopefully never to happen) potential local clashes with a big power their very first move would be to quickly turn carriers and cruisers into useful habitat for marine wildlife so kiss goodbye to gunboat intimidation....you may scare the Saddams, Gaddafis or pirate warlords of this world with them, definitely not Russia....more than one western military strategist agree that these big floating pieces of metal would be pretty much very expensive sitting ducks in the scenario of a determined and sustained attack....
Quite few NATO commanders are fairly worried about the outcome of a direct confrontation between the Alliance and Russian forces.
Finally, we did not even talk about the 3000 pounds gorilla in the room....China......which is quickly developing strategic, scientific and economic ties with Russia (they are not stupid and they see the writing on the wall, they know damn well they can be next western convenient punchball, today is Russia, tomorrow can be them).....
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Johnson just said that Putin would use the games as some nationalist parade, as in 1938.
As for Britain we fought Hitler and declared war on Germany in 1939, so your photo doesn't mean a thing. You clearly don't have a good grasp of history.
You do not have a good grasp of what Johnson said....he clearly mentioned Hitler which for Russia is enormously offensive...it is really disgusting.
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There was a Soctland Yard Investigation and a 300 page public inquiry which both came to the conclusion that Mr Litvinenko was poisoned using Poloniun-210 by Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun on the orders of Vladimir Putin. The Inquiry heard from a number of scientists, forensic experts, medical experts including the pathologist and was held at the request of the Coroners Office. Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun had both previously been charged with murder in their absence by Scotland Yard and an extradition request was sent to Russia but denied.
In terms of the nuclear forensic evidence it was gathered by scientists from the Atomic Weapons Eastablishment (AWE) with support from Toxicologists, the Health Protection Agency (HPA) and other scientific and university research departments at UCL and elsewhere.
Bla bla bla....reality is there is no proof...could have been Putin?? Sure....but we simply do not know for sure...given the complexity of the deep state apparatus of any complex country (and Russia is fairly complex).
It's all speculation and flimsy circumstantial evidence.
So far, reality on the ground it's a different story, agricultural exports are actually surpassing military hardware exports, the latest projections are for well over 3% growth.....feel free to argue with Goldman Sachs and other that may know a thing or two more than you about economic forecasting....
In an hypothetical scenario, UK has to survive to the first attack.....
Citing $$$ spent on defense does not mean much, the most important aspect is how well you spend that money (hint: the F-35 disaster)...Russians are notoriously frugal, the Pentagon budget is notoriously obscenely inflated with charges not directly related to the quality of the final product.
To make a long story short, if, let's say, Russia can produce a fighter jet as good as a comparable Western fighter jet for a fraction of the cost, it does not matter the number of nominal amount $$$ spent on defense, you still have a fighter jet.
If Putin new weapons are really at the operational stage (let's take him at his word for sake of discussion) the West basically pissed in the wind all the money spent on ballistic missile defense systems.
Russia was able to mount a decisive military operation in Syria without spending too much, according to many western observers.
Take away from Russia budget the huge development (or modernization) costs for a big blue water navy...they do not need one and they specifically said they do not want one (other than fast highly manoeuvrable attack submarines already in place and others rapidly being developed) since they have no global hegemony/world policing plans...many Russian military commanders and strategists have clearly stated and warned that in any (hopefully never to happen) potential local clashes with a big power their very first move would be to quickly turn carriers and cruisers into useful habitat for marine wildlife so kiss goodbye to gunboat intimidation....you may scare the Saddams, Gaddafis or pirate warlords of this world with them, definitely not Russia....more than one western military strategist agree that these big floating pieces of metal would be pretty much very expensive sitting ducks in the scenario of a determined and sustained attack....
Quite few NATO commanders are fairly worried about the outcome of a direct confrontation between the Alliance and Russian forces.
Finally, we did not even talk about the 3000 pounds gorilla in the room....China......which is quickly developing strategic, scientific and economic ties with Russia (they are not stupid and they see the writing on the wall, they know damn well they can be next western convenient punchball, today is Russia, tomorrow can be them).....
You do not have a good grasp of what Johnson said....he clearly mentioned Hitler which for Russia is enormously offensive...it is really disgusting.
Oh hello, spouting threats from behind your computer how very...............Russian! The fact of the matter is the British will not let Putin bully them, Russia needs punishing for its actions, I'm sorry but Russian mentality is 50 years behind most of the rest of the developed world, their views on women or people in same sex relationships is so 1950's and so it seems is their outlook on the 'West'. Russia lost the cold war 30 years ago but it doesn't seem to have moved on. At the end of the day you can threaten all you like but there is nothing you can do militarily, its perfectly simple any nuclear attack on Britain from Russia (or the other way round for that matter) and the world goes to hell in a handcart, in the 21st Century warfare is economical and Putin will have to think seriously about his 20th Century foreign policy if he wants to get on with the rest of the world.
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...would you cry for Daddy's help then?? LOL
