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I am an urbanist and i grew up in the suburbs, it was anything but sterile or boring. I personally have no interest in living in the suburbs again, but it doesn't mean they are bad.
you make up the point 0.1% who hold that view point. 99% of the urbanist on this thread believe suburbs is some wasteland, and urban lifestyle is this perfect utopia and that everyone should desire to live that lifestyle.
you make up the point 0.1% who hold that view point. 99% of the urbanist on this thread believe suburbs is some wasteland, and urban lifestyle is this perfect utopia and that everyone should desire to live that lifestyle.
you make up the point 0.1% who hold that view point. 99% of the urbanist on this thread believe suburbs is some wasteland, and urban lifestyle is this perfect utopia and that everyone should desire to live that lifestyle.
I read through the whole thread and it is just you who seems to think this. I am guessing you are a guy who spent too many years living in a city somewhere and got tired of it and now happier in the suburbs, good for you, but your generalizatuon is no worse than those that generalize that the suburbs are sterile and boring.
Besides, what's it matter to you if urbanists don't like the suburbs? Is this relating to something in particular that is happening in your suburb?
I read through the whole thread and it is just you who seems to think this. I am guessing you are a guy who spent too many years living in a city somewhere and got tired of it and now happier in the suburbs, good for you, but your generalizatuon is no worse than those that generalize that the suburbs are sterile and boring.
Besides, what's it matter to you if urbanists don't like the suburbs? Is this relating to something in particular that is happening in your suburb?
This is a forum. You are allowed to voice your opinions. I'm doing it. If urbanist can come on to this forum and bash the suburbs, I can do the same. I don't lose any sleep on what urbanist feel about the suburbs, but this is just an opportunity to debate and call out urbanist for their way of thinking. Nothing I say is going to change their opinion about the suburbs, just like nothing they say will change my opinion about their arrogance. Keep in mind, my post aren't just simply related to this thread.
This is a forum. You are allowed to voice your opinions. I'm doing it. If urbanist can come on to this forum and bash the suburbs, I can do the same. I don't lose any sleep on what urbanist feel about the suburbs, but this is just an opportunity to debate and call out urbanist for their way of thinking. Nothing I say is going to change their opinion about the suburbs, just like nothing they say will change my opinion about their arrogance. Keep in mind, my post aren't just simply related to this thread.
if people just bash that certainly wont change anyones minds. I prefer discussions focused on facts, and on narrower issues than "your way bad, my way good". But thats just me.
BTW
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Haha call it both ways Katiana! NT has, for three (or four?) consecutive posts called all urbanists delusional.
I'm not even stretching that - it happened.
This thread is ludicrous. It started out there and it has remained there.
Well, I'd like to see an end to the psychoanalysis on both sides. Better word choice would be helpful, too.
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I read through the whole thread and it is just you who seems to think this. I am guessing you are a guy who spent too many years living in a city somewhere and got tired of it and now happier in the suburbs, good for you, but your generalizatuon is no worse than those that generalize that the suburbs are sterile and boring.
Besides, what's it matter to you if urbanists don't like the suburbs? Is this relating to something in particular that is happening in your suburb?
You may have read through this whole thread and not found a "smoking gun", but you could do a forum-wide search for "sterile", "cookie cutter" and other words often applied to suburbs and find a plethora of posts.
Many urbanists feel that some suburbs are OK, e.g. "streetcar" suburbs, "inner ring" suburbs, suburbs that they live in (and they go to great lengths in some cases to justify why their living sitation is "different"). Some few outright denigrate all suburbs as sterile, cookie cutter, boring, racist, banal, etc.
I don't think most people slap a label on all suburbs (or on all city neighborhoods, for that matter) because reasonable people understand that there's a wide variety of locations out there. And many people realize that "urban" doesn't just mean "within city limits."
I like some suburbs. I don't like others. Given the choice, I'd prefer something more urban, more urban than any suburb can offer (or what many American cities can offer, for that matter), but I can understand the appeal of places like where we live now, which is a suburb but sufficiently "urban" in form that we enjoy living here, even if it's not my dream neighborhood.
But if you mean do I think that the modern stereotypical suburb -- thec subdivisions with little within walking distance, for example (or worse -- gated communities) -- are modern wastelands, then no, I don't think that,, but I don't like them, would never willingly live in one, and would be absolutely miserable living in such a setting. I do find them sterile and boring, although do realize that just because the SETTING is sterile and boring (in my view) does not mean that the residents who live there are boring. Clearly many people (including interesting people) love those areas and are very happy in that environment and don't find their home physical environment to be stifling. Just like there are those who find very urban neighborhoods to be stressful and overwhelming. To each his own.
This is a forum. You are allowed to voice your opinions. I'm doing it. If urbanist can come on to this forum and bash the suburbs, I can do the same. I don't lose any sleep on what urbanist feel about the suburbs, but this is just an opportunity to debate and call out urbanist for their way of thinking. Nothing I say is going to change their opinion about the suburbs, just like nothing they say will change my opinion about their arrogance. Keep in mind, my post aren't just simply related to this thread.
You are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts. Your claim that
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99% of the urbanist on this thread believe suburbs is some wasteland, and urban lifestyle is this perfect utopia and that everyone should desire to live that lifestyle.
This statement is not true. It's not your opinion, it's just a lie. There's a difference between someone with an opinion and a liar.
This is a forum. You are allowed to voice your opinions. I'm doing it. If urbanist can come on to this forum and bash the suburbs, I can do the same. I don't lose any sleep on what urbanist feel about the suburbs, but this is just an opportunity to debate and call out urbanist for their way of thinking. Nothing I say is going to change their opinion about the suburbs, just like nothing they say will change my opinion about their arrogance. Keep in mind, my post aren't just simply related to this thread.
Okay, so you have no interest in having any form of conversation, you just wish to bash city life in general. I wiol keep that in mind and ignore your posts.
Well, I'd like to see an end to the psychoanalysis on both sides. Better word choice would be helpful, too.
You may have read through this whole thread and not found a "smoking gun", but you could do a forum-wide search for "sterile", "cookie cutter" and other words often applied to suburbs and find a plethora of posts.
Many urbanists feel that some suburbs are OK, e.g. "streetcar" suburbs, "inner ring" suburbs, suburbs that they live in (and they go to great lengths in some cases to justify why their living sitation is "different"). Some few outright denigrate all suburbs as sterile, cookie cutter, boring, racist, banal, etc.
Well I am not most urbanists, so you are welcome to have a conversation about these topics if you like.
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