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I found there was a contradiction about claiming something was more natural when infact it was counterproductive on an ecological level, but maybe in English these two things (nature and ecology) do not relate very much to each other (or maybe I explained myself badly).
I understand that the actual middle moment of the day between sunrise and sunset happens to be before the actual noon, but really, I don't consider it to be a very important thing for the vast majority of the population. I believe most people are affected by sunrise and sunset times a lot more. Anyway there will be variations within timezones as this is a conventional thing, so it cannot be avoided to have the actual middle of the day before (or after in some cases ?) for many areas. Unless we speak about the China zones which are ridiculous, I don't think it is that important in Europe, especially since people have been used to it for decades and take it for natural.
Actually, I even know people in France who would rather have it on DST year-round, which I believe would be too much (for instance, my city would have 9:13 sunrises in mid-december, which is ridiculous, and it is on the eastern part of the country !).
Most people I know don't like turning the clocks in late october and thus having sunsets one hour earlier. Now that I live 600 km east, I definitely feel the difference with having sunsets about 25 minutes earlier than back home, I find it kinda harsh to live with. So, that's why I say it is important for human being. Most people live, go out and meet in late afternoon / early evening, not between 4 and 6 AM.
I believe some people like it the other way though, for instance some people are depressed by waking up in the dark, but considering the schedules in France and the fact that many people are used to it, especially in the western part and north, they are probably a minority. By the way, have you traveled there ? You could experience it and see how it feels.
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I found there was a contradiction about claiming something was more natural when infact it was counterproductive on an ecological level, but maybe in English these two things (nature and ecology) do not relate very much to each other (or maybe I explained myself badly).
I understand that the actual middle moment of the day between sunrise and sunset happens to be before the actual noon, but really, I don't consider it to be a very important thing for the vast majority of the population. I believe most people are affected by sunrise and sunset times a lot more. Anyway there will be variations within timezones as this is a conventional thing, so it cannot be avoided to have the actual middle of the day before (or after in some cases ?) for many areas. Unless we speak about the China zones which are ridiculous, I don't think it is that important in Europe, especially since people have been used to it for decades and take it for natural.
Actually, I even know people in France who would rather have it on DST year-round, which I believe would be too much (for instance, my city would have 9:13 sunrises in mid-december, which is ridiculous, and it is on the eastern part of the country !).
Most people I know don't like turning the clocks in late october and thus having sunsets one hour earlier. Now that I live 600 km east, I definitely feel the difference with having sunsets about 25 minutes earlier than back home, I find it kinda harsh to live with. So, that's why I say it is important for human being. Most people live, go out and meet in late afternoon / early evening, not between 4 and 6 AM.
I believe some people like it the other way though, for instance some people are depressed by waking up in the dark, but considering the schedules in France and the fact that many people are used to it, especially in the western part and north, they are probably a minority. By the way, have you traveled there ? You could experience it and see how it feels.
I haven't been to the North-West of France but i've been to the East of England and can see what your talking about, I noted a considerable difference in sunsets from here to there, it was very depressing. I don't think theres a solution for large countries because it's impractical to have countries on seperate timezones.
I think we need to use more half timezones though, I think that the France could use a half timezone and so could Germany, I don't think theres any point in Spain doing that. For us idk, I don't think a half timezone would work for us.. At my latitude you've got to work with what you are given. I think the point we need to make is that not all of us can have a suitable solution.. I suppose we could do multiple timezones but it would be stupid.
Here is my proposal for Europe:
Gmt
1. UK
2. Ireland
3. Spain
4. Portugal
5. Iceland
Gmt plus half
1. France
2. Netherlands
3. Norway
Gmt plus one half
1. Germany
2. Italy
3. Poland
4. Sweden
5. Bulgaria.
6. Austria
7. Slovenia
8. Macedonia
Gmt plus 2
1. Greece
2. Ukraine
3. Estonia
4. Belarus
5. Finland
That way we have more realistic timezones and some people get an add on. Then we drop daylightsavings time.
Normal bedtime. I don't think its normal wake up time, 6am is very early.
When I was in math competition in Jogja in the past wednesday/thursday, the test start at 8, and at 7:15 students must arrive at the test venue, by the bus from hotel. Participants (senior high school, age 15-17) got a hotel wake up call at 05:00 am, for there, that was around mid-nautical dawn...
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When I was in math competition in Jogja in the past wednesday/thursday, the test start at 8, and at 7:15 students must arrive at the test venue, by the bus from hotel. Participants (senior high school, age 15-17) got a hotel wake up call at 05:00 am, for there, that was around mid-nautical dawn...
Here in Paris I've only experienced true darkness twice - the rest of the time I've fallen asleep before dark and awakened in daylight. The days are LONG here...lol.
It's gonna be odd to experience darkness again when I get home...lol.
In jogja i enjoyed the Jogja nightlife that starts before 6 pm!!! (civil dusk end was at 05:50 pm or so)... and slightly cooler night/dawns as well...the dry season...
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