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Old 03-25-2017, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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I know it's not everybody's preference. In my opinion it's just a middling climate, far from the worst, but far from the best. Although it's almost perfect for a city where lots of people have to walk around it suits all day. I think it would be a very unproductive place if it was warmer.

But the question was whether or not it's the lousiest big city climate in the world, and I get the sense that most of us agree that it doesn't even come close.
That's what I'm saying, it is a highly livable climate. I just don't like it is all.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:06 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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The new normals are going to look awful.
The summer highs since 1990 are 21.8c in June, 23.7c in July, 23.5c in August and 20.8c in September. It's just the worst run of summer sunshine stats Heathrow has ever seen.

Low 70 average in July/August would be considered poor here as well. On average, 1 July/August in 5 will average below 22.0c, and 1 in 5 will average above 25.0c

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Old 03-25-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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The summer highs since 1990 are 21.8c in June, 23.7c in July, 23.5c in August and 20.8c in September. It's just the worst run of summer sunshine stats Heathrow has ever seen.

Low 70 average in July/August would be considered poor here as well. On average, 1 July/August in 5 will average below 22.0c, and 1 in 5 will average above 25.0c
Is it me, or is the UK lagging behind the rest of the world when it comes to global warming?
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:34 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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Is it me, or is the UK lagging behind the rest of the world when it comes to global warming?
We've had an abnormally southern jet stream most years since 2007, which sits right over the UK and stops the Azores high from reaching its normal position. When the jet stream was in its normal position, far north of the UK, we've had warm summers.
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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Is it me, or is the UK lagging behind the rest of the world when it comes to global warming?
UK is an island surrounded by cold water it's not going to warm as much or as fast as over larger land masses, though it still has warmed.

Most of the warming has been in the Arctic. Wow look at Canada...





And if Hansen is right and the Gulf Stream slows or shuts down Northern Europe may even cool in a warming world



Ocean Currents
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:41 AM
 
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The summers 2013 and 2014 were abput 3/4C above average where I live, but they were anomallys. Something seems to have gone horribly wrong since 2007, which was a freakish year. It just wouldn't stop raining, some people blame Rihanna, this song was no.1 throughout the entire ordeal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBfHwUxHIk
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Old 03-25-2017, 07:51 AM
 
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UK is an island surrounded by cold water it's not going to warm as much or as fast as over larger land masses, though it still has warmed.

Most of the warming has been in the Arctic. Wow look at Canada...





And if Hansen is right and the Gulf Stream slows or shuts down Northern Europe may even cool in a warming world



Ocean Currents
I've always seen that gulf stream theory are pretty illogical. It suggests that melting ice caps would cause cold water to flow southwards and disrupt the gulf stream, how does that make sense? Surely the fact that they're melting is a sign that the sea in that area is warming up? To me it just seems like a scare tactic to alter UK public opinion.

Although my understanding of this theory may be wrong, since I only briefly came across about 10 years ago...
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Old 03-25-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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I've always seen that gulf stream theory are pretty illogical. It suggests that melting ice caps would cause cold water to flow southwards and disrupt the gulf stream, how does that make sense? Surely the fact that they're melting is a sign that the sea in that area is warming up? To me it just seems like a scare tactic to alter UK public opinion.

Although my understanding of this theory may be wrong, since I only briefly came across about 10 years ago...
Greenland is discharging cold freshwater into the North Atlantic which is denser than the warm salt water being transported from the tropics northward by the Gulf Stream. This is disrupting the flow.


This is a good lecture on it



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xITEUv65tj0
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Old 03-25-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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Greenland is discharging cold freshwater into the North Atlantic which is denser than the warm salt water being transported from the tropics northward by the Gulf Stream. This is disrupting the flow.


This is a good lecture on it



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xITEUv65tj0
I'll watch the video, but why does the map you provided only show the slowdown affecting the UK and Scandinavia? Most of western Europe benefits from the gulf stream. Kinda strange that map shows the UK becomming an icebox, while parts of France 20 miles across the water turn into the Mediterranean
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Old 03-25-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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The Gulf Stream touches the British Isles. It's affect is less pronounced in France.
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