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ROTFL. You just got finished describing in the earlier post how the job really does require a skilled person, and now you're complaining about having to pay skilled labor wages for the position.
Skilled labor doesn't mean being able to do math, or use computers, or anything like that. It just means you do something that requires skill. And obviously something that requires 5 years of experience to do well is a skill. This worker you have probably just isn't that bright on the general intelligence scale. You could send him to get his GED and he'd just flunk out. But he's still skilled labor.
Go back and read. He is stuck in a semi-skilled borderline unskilled position because he doesn't have basic skills to move forward, skills that can be obtained for free. We can't have him doing a lot of what is required to be considered skilled because he is functionally illiterate. I'd be happy to pay him more if he had the skills needed to advance. We promote from within, we train and mentor. We have an apprentice program. We pay for training and certification exam costs. We develop our workforce. But when someone lacks basic skills, there is only so far you can take them.
And yes, to be considered skilled in his particular job he would need to be able to look up info on a computer, do basic math, measure, and be able to read MSDS information.
Publix has maybe one head meat cutter maybe 2 or 3 guys as helpers learning the trade. Working part time. Most likely it will take you 8 to 12 years to get into the meat department their is always a wait list. Your start in as a stock boy do 5 to 7 years there do 2 to 4 as a cashier you do not walk in and say I want to cut meat. Most people never get into the meat department no place for them. All these years you are working part time. Same goes with Whole Foods most kids understand their not getting into the meat department so they do something else. Florida is a right to work state wages are super low even by right to work standards. So maybe the elevator company wages s*ck or you have to have your own tools or the bosses fire left and right. The wind tech program in my area is capped at like 25 half of those seats go to the long term unemployed their is a wait list. I think it got the ax in the last budget cuts. Their are not enough seats for the guys who want to train as wind techs. Andy has made good posts on the trades. Read the one he posted on this page. These are reasons kids are not in the trades lazy is not one of them.
Wrong. My son works in the meat department at Publix. There is a meat manager, assistant meat manager, four cutters, two assistant cutters, two clerks, plus two seafood specialists. He was hired directly into meat as a meat clerk and within a year was being taught how to cut meat. Within two years he was full time as an assistant meat cutter. P/T at Publix get benefits. F/T get great benefits including quarterly bonuses.
A lot of people don't want meat, it makes them squeamish. Someone who actually wants to work meat has a good chance of being hired (they have to be over 18--Federal labor laws) into meat.
Well, you dismissed the other alternative I mentioned. The issue of not having a required task on the list is fairly minor. More concerning is that it appears that the list was written by a manager on the spot or some point earlier in the day and just handed to the employee. In six sigma methodology, this practice is prone to errors as the example shows. Other errors in management that could lead to this kind of situation could be the hiring of inadequate personnel or poor training. There's no reason why a flawed process should be a new hire's fault.
The scenario you mentioned is not the same as the original one because washing dishes implies using soap. Using soap is a subtask of washing dishes. Whereas empty bathroom trashcan is not a subtask of empty office trashcan. The scenario you mentioned is, indeed, daft... but nothing like the original example or my comment.
And emptying the trash isn't part of "clean the bathroom?" Get real.
And emptying the trash isn't part of "clean the bathroom?" Get real.
Fair enough. Maybe it is like STT Resident's example. But then the list wouldn't have said empty the trashcans in the office. That would have been implicit as well.
Anyways, the solution is simple. Management needs to fix the processes involved here.
Fair enough. Maybe it is like STT Resident's example. But then the list wouldn't have said empty the trashcans in the office. That would have been implicit as well.
Anyways, the solution is simple. Management needs to fix the processes involved here.
Already done. Hired someone with common sense who wants to show up for work.
Lets see now....I hire a person at min wage considering they are a entry job person.
I write on a slip of paper.........
Clean the bathroom.......
Sweep and clean the shop floor.......
Sweep and clean the parking lot before watering the bushes next to the building.
How more explicit do I have to make the list?
The bathroom has four walls with the normal bathroom fixtures. Am I supposed to be specific on what is to be done inside there?
Shop floor has to be swept or mopped. Do not wish a employee to trip or slip causing an injury.
Parking lot needs checked for paper/cig butts etc and plants against the wall watered.
What is complicated with the above requests? Does not need a BA or higher for the job but a GED would be nice.
Problem is that many do not think or look well enough into their job but will be quick to blame the employer for NOT going into more detail regarding the job description.
I was just giving a stupid example....change the job description....it's all on the bottom line.
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