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Good luck to all the people who want to work. Maybe some of you could become advocates for others and guide them. I know it's not a paying job but you would be helping those who can't navigate the system.
Amen. I know several people who claim they have a personality disorder that makes it impossible for them to get along with others.
Oh! I have that! It's called being a dick.
It never prevents me from working though, but it's fun on c-d.
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Come on, this is a depression.
I don't think you understand, though. ... [ ... deletia ... ] ...
As I read it, pvande55 understood it perfectly well. As a matter of fact, calling this economy 'in a depression' is very accurate.
The administration and the news keep using the word "recession" and "recovery." In times past, a recession that lasts more than 4 quarters is a depression.
Recessions that continue to have unemployment over 8% are not viewed as "in recovery."
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Actually I do feel they are being singled. See my post above some fear getting sued some the medical cost in terms of benefits.
The company where I most recently worked laid off the receptionist when they found out that her daughter was going to need some surgery soon.
It was obvious that this was no coincidence.
It never prevents me from working though, but it's fun on c-d.
As I read it, pvande55 understood it perfectly well. As a matter of fact, calling this economy 'in a depression' is very accurate.
The administration and the news keep using the word "recession" and "recovery." In times past, a recession that lasts more than 4 quarters is a depression.
Recessions that continue to have unemployment over 8% are not viewed as "in recovery."
The company where I most recently worked laid off the receptionist when they found out that her daughter was going to need some surgery soon.
It was obvious that this was no coincidence.
Obviously you don't.
Blind people had a 70% employment rate before the depression.
Yes, we are all struggling for jobs now, but that's a constant reality for disabled people, regardless of the economic times, not just a reality during economic recessions or depressions.
I think people misunderstand the real deal. They just want handicapped people out of the picture. They do not want to pay for ramps or public buses or anything else. They could care less about the fact we want to be productive members of society. Business does want to spend extra money or time to train us in any way. They see only the cost not the fact they would get a good worker. Nor would the taxpayer want any money spent on training programs for the handicapped. They see only the cost. Hey they will not need them their not handicapped right? I have seen normal people's mindset change when they end up handicapped. Often time it may not even be them but having a child or grandchild born handicapped. Their outlook is never the same.
I think it's great when disabled people want to work and be productive members of society. But I once learned that some people would rather see them not working for none of the reasons listed in this thread.
A couple of years ago, I went to a T.J. Maxx or a Marshalls (forgot which) and saw a young man with Down's Syndrome working there as a stock person. I thought it was great that he was given the opportunity to work, and told a friend about this after I got back from my shopping trip. Well, this person did not think it was such a great idea because they had just graduated college at the height of the recession and they were having a hard time even landing a minimum wage retail job.
The reason this person was upset with a disabled person working? He told me something like, "Look I would never usually have a problem with a disabled person working and if it were still the economy of the late 90s/early 2000s, I would think it's a great thing. But in this economy, it's not fair because they are already getting a check from the government and so they don't really need the job like I do."
So maybe some employers aren't hiring the disabled for this reason? I brought this up because this thread reminded me of that conversation I had.
I think it's great when disabled people want to work and be productive members of society. But I once learned that some people would rather see them not working for none of the reasons listed in this thread.
A couple of years ago, I went to a T.J. Maxx or a Marshalls (forgot which) and saw a young man with Down's Syndrome working there as a stock person. I thought it was great that he was given the opportunity to work, and told a friend about this after I got back from my shopping trip. Well, this person did not think it was such a great idea because they had just graduated college at the height of the recession and they were having a hard time even landing a minimum wage retail job.
The reason this person was upset with a disabled person working? He told me something like, "Look I would never usually have a problem with a disabled person working and if it were still the economy of the late 90s/early 2000s, I would think it's a great thing. But in this economy, it's not fair because they are already getting a check from the government and so they don't really need the job like I do."
So maybe some employers aren't hiring the disabled for this reason? I brought this up because this thread reminded me of that conversation I had.
I already pointed that out before. Even though they can get tax breaks.
I think people misunderstand the real deal. They just want handicapped people out of the picture. They do not want to pay for ramps or public buses or anything else. They could care less about the fact we want to be productive members of society. Business does want to spend extra money or time to train us in any way. They see only the cost not the fact they would get a good worker. Nor would the taxpayer want any money spent on training programs for the handicapped. They see only the cost. Hey they will not need them their not handicapped right? I have seen normal people's mindset change when they end up handicapped. Often time it may not even be them but having a child or grandchild born handicapped. Their outlook is never the same.
Precisely. If you're ill, handicapped, over 30, overweight, ugly, or otherwise not an example of the "perfect" physical specimen, they don't want you around. It is sick and is just another way to discriminate and keep people in poverty.
My former employer had a deaf engineer who worked for them for years, and he was always treated like a second-class citizen. He did a fine job, but people were troubled that this "deaf guy" was in the area... they'd have to email him vs. call him, and write things down on paper vs. talking to him... oh, it was all so much of a bother! Better to just pretend he doesn't exist... In the end, he retired early vs. being "retired" in one of many layoffs that were focused on older staff members (especially those in ill health.)
What was far more sick was how they treated an older guy who was dying of cancer while trying to care for his wife who was dying of Alzheimers. The guy was a great engineer, had worked there his whole career, and would go out of his way to help others. Well, his horrible illness and the time needed to care for his wife earned him plenty of abuse from management near the end, and when he finally passed away, management's entire response was, "Gee, that sucks - that sets our schedule back a whole bunch of weeks. Why couldn't he have picked a more convenient time to die?" His coworkers were broken up about it, but they are actual human beings, vs. soulless corporate stooges, so there is that difference.
The way people treat the handicapped and ill is horrible in this nation.
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