Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Work and Employment
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 09-14-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: USA
6,230 posts, read 6,923,893 times
Reputation: 10784

Advertisements

There is no talent shortage. Companies just like getting away with hiring visas who will work for chump change and no benefits.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 09-14-2013, 09:48 AM
 
350 posts, read 709,933 times
Reputation: 502
Quote:
Originally Posted by s1alker View Post
There is no talent shortage. Companies just like getting away with hiring visas who will work for chump change and no benefits.
Mr. Demand, meet Mr. Supply.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Metro NYC
696 posts, read 906,855 times
Reputation: 755
@ B_I_C,

Too funny; feel free to friend me.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Metro NYC
696 posts, read 906,855 times
Reputation: 755
Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwashed_in_church View Post
Mr. Demand, meet Mr. Supply.

Mr. Crony, meet Mr. Capitalist.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 10:29 AM
 
120 posts, read 193,797 times
Reputation: 98
OP, tell me a programming problem and I'll try to code a solution.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Metro NYC
696 posts, read 906,855 times
Reputation: 755
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowerOfThings View Post
OP, tell me a programming problem and I'll try to code a solution.
Careful, some employers use "interviews" to get free management consulting and technical advice.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
11,011 posts, read 11,024,526 times
Reputation: 6192
Quote:
Originally Posted by sware2cod View Post
The very senior development type jobs usually have in-depth technical interviews. The interviewers are senior techies and they ask many design and technique questions such as 'explain how you would do zyx in this scenario' . "what was your role in this project". "if you have code scenario A, explain what you would do to meet this new requirement B.".
"when ABC stops working and you have to fix it right away, explain the steps required to identify the problem and explain what you would do to fix immediately and also explain what you would do for a long term solution."

You expect a senior developer to explain, on the fly (during the interview), how to solve techical issues. And they should be able to verbally explain several scenarios explained where they actually have hands on work experience ...down to a very technical level. You need to know exactly what their role was on the team and what others did. Some BSers will explain tasks that others completed and make it seem like it was their own. A few Q and A that digs deep enough will identify if they did the hands on task. Because the BSers will flounder if you dig deep enough with the Q and A.

In other words, you need someone to interview the candidate that knows as much as the candidate...to decide if the candidate really knows their stuff or if they are simply have a small amout of experience mixed with buzzwords.

There ARE lots of great developers out there. But there are also lots of embelished resumes. Before you hire, you want the interview process to weed out those that are BSing.

If you don't have the in-house skill set to properly weed out candidates during the interview...than maybe get with some recruiters and go with 90 day temp-to-perm. Keep them if they are good and keep going through them until you find a good fit. It's kind of like a 90 day interview.

The more technical bullet points that you put on your job ad, the more you will pinpoint the exact type of candidate you need. If your job ad is too general, you might not be getting what you really need as far as applicants.

If you really want the best of the best, then allow yourself to attract the perfect candidate that might be 1000 miles away. How do you do this? You offer it as a 100% telecommute position. But you make the job ad very detailed. Great programmers have lots of jobs to choose from. They will be more likely to choose a telecommute job.
Interesting. Yes, I've always used a few of my senior developers to assist in interviews for this reason. I am thinking perhaps we are a bit too ad hoc and must develop a bit more regimented criteria selection. I am clearly not doing something right so I suspect I need to analyze exactly what my issues are with finding the talent. I retain them fine once I get them but the actual finding of said skills has been my difficulty.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 01:50 PM
 
24,488 posts, read 41,141,698 times
Reputation: 12920
Quote:
Originally Posted by s1alker View Post
There is no talent shortage. Companies just like getting away with hiring visas who will work for chump change and no benefits.
There is a big shortage of good talent. Most people that come through are not worth it. We don't sponsor visas so that's not even an option for us.

Sponsored employees receive benefits.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
11,011 posts, read 11,024,526 times
Reputation: 6192
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockmanx View Post
I can tell you, being a young one myself, and working with young ones, we aren't wasting time with old frameworks like .NET and Java, at my current job I'm tasked with getting rid of that mess and using an alternative. Most senior people I know just moved on to management.
I hear ya but my clients need those skills. There was another project I passed on which had a very, very archaic framework. I tell you - if they had found anyone with the skill to code in that environment, that person could have written their own check. So, something to keep in mind is that if you have a client who must maintain an older framework for any reason, the ability to code in these environments is bankable.

If my business model was to simply throw everything away and start from scratch, that would be fine. Sometimes I advocate that to my clients. However, in this day and age, you can't do that for everything.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 09-14-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: oakland / berkeley
507 posts, read 917,597 times
Reputation: 404
Allow remote. I would never move to SC.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Work and Employment
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top