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Old 12-06-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Ontario
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I welcome it. If robots end up doing everything then humanity can be free to just be humans again rather than spending their lives in some ****ing rat race. The transitional period where humans lose jobs to robots on a massive scale will be tough but will be worth it in the end, even if some of us don't live to see it happen.
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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It would probably create more jobs..but in reality we are a long way from that. Self checkout and stuff is about the max right
now..
In a manufacturing environment, yes basically bots r used in the process, but face to face bots r a long way off..
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I welcome it. If robots end up doing everything then humanity can be free to just be humans again rather than spending their lives in some ****ing rat race. The transitional period where humans lose jobs to robots on a massive scale will be tough but will be worth it in the end, even if some of us don't live to see it happen.

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The more robots created, the lower the wages leads to lower the revenue coming into companies; lower revenues leads to lower demand, decreased demand leads to fewer jobs, fewer jobs lead to even lower demand, lower demand leads to fewer jobs, repeat.
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Old 12-06-2013, 04:57 PM
 
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I welcome it. If robots end up doing everything then humanity can be free to just be humans again rather than spending their lives in some ****ing rat race. The transitional period where humans lose jobs to robots on a massive scale will be tough but will be worth it in the end, even if some of us don't live to see it happen.
Star Trek fan?
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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There is now a robot which can make 30 burgers to precise specs available in very little time. I have no doubt it will be in use at fast food chains shortly, as will self-serve kiosks, just like self serve checkouts.
there are also flying cars now
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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There is now a robot which can make 30 burgers to precise specs available in very little time. I have no doubt it will be in use at fast food chains shortly, as will self-serve kiosks, just like self serve checkouts.
Maybe if you could charge $100 for each hamburger, it would justify the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on the specialized mechanics and equipment. And yes, they do break down, require expensive service calls, and all that other good stuff.

If you were to propose to a bank a business plan centering around automated fast food, they would turn you down left and right.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:14 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Maybe if you could charge $100 for each hamburger, it would justify the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on the specialized mechanics and equipment. And yes, they do break down, require expensive service calls, and all that other good stuff.

If you were to propose to a bank a business plan centering around automated fast food, they would turn you down left and right.
Wrong, andrew. First franchises have great cash flow if they own several joints, and that gets you the loan. Second, it would pay for iteself fast.

Staffing a burger maker 15 hours per day at 8 per hour plus 4 hour for even minimal benes (Employer SS, SUI, FUTA, holiday, vacation pay, workers comp) that is $1,360 per week in cost. So you wave bye-bye to at least that one spot on all shifts, you just saved 72k per year. As long as the burger making machine gets under say 150k either now or shortly, a bank will approve a loan if needed. But most franchisees regularly budget millions for capital equipment out of cash flow.

Little mom and pops need the loan, and until you work at a large org and off the shop floor, you will not be exposed to funding capital out of cash flow.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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Wrong, andrew. First franchises have great cash flow if they own several joints, and that gets you the loan. Second, it would pay for iteself fast.

Staffing a burger maker 15 hours per day at 8 per hour plus 4 hour for even minimal benes (Employer SS, SUI, FUTA, holiday, vacation pay, workers comp) that is $1,360 per week in cost. So you wave bye-bye to at least that one spot on all shifts, you just saved 72k per year. As long as the burger making machine gets under say 150k either now or shortly, a bank will approve a loan if needed. But most franchisees regularly budget millions for capital equipment out of cash flow.

Little mom and pops need the loan, and until you work at a large org and off the shop floor, you will not be exposed to funding capital out of cash flow.
what if a neighborhood decides to boycott their neighborhood Mcroboburgershop? and then what if Wendy's decides to play it old school? 5guys would make a killing I think
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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what if a neighborhood decides to boycott their neighborhood Mcroboburgershop? and then what if Wendy's decides to play it old school? 5guys would make a killing I think

99% wouldn't boycott, any more than banks got boycotted when ATMs reduced teller headcount massively.
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Wrong, andrew. First franchises have great cash flow if they own several joints, and that gets you the loan. Second, it would pay for iteself fast.

Staffing a burger maker 15 hours per day at 8 per hour plus 4 hour for even minimal benes (Employer SS, SUI, FUTA, holiday, vacation pay, workers comp) that is $1,360 per week in cost. So you wave bye-bye to at least that one spot on all shifts, you just saved 72k per year. As long as the burger making machine gets under say 150k either now or shortly, a bank will approve a loan if needed. But most franchisees regularly budget millions for capital equipment out of cash flow.

Little mom and pops need the loan, and until you work at a large org and off the shop floor, you will not be exposed to funding capital out of cash flow.
You're completely overlooking the costs of the "automation" along with the maintenance. You will require some workers on site to keep things running smoothly. The idea of creating a completely human free assembly line of burgers and fries might sound simply, but it isn't.

The buildings themselves may not be standardized. That means each store must be handled in a unique fashion when attempting to install new automated mechanisms. The store will likely be shut down for several months during this process. Conveyers will have to be custom made for each store. Walls will have to be ripped open to allow for all of this fancy equipment.

I doubt McDonalds are even wired for this type of work. You're going to need electricians. More than likely, they are going to require a 3 phase power supply. Since McDonalds typically don't operate in industrial zones, they will have another obstacle to work around.

And while they may save in labor, they will consume more in energy. Better factor that into the budget... But hey, when you focus so much on eliminating jobs, you tend to lose focus on the bigger picture...

The number of engineers and engineering firms involved will want their cut. Won't be cheap... Many of them will be required to visit each and every franchise to figure out the most practical methods of laying out, designing and wiring these new and improved McYd's...

And who will pay for all of this? I guarantee the franchise owners will have none of it. They already complain about low returns for their investment. Corporate HQ? I doubt it. They are already making their investors great returns. The initial investments would cause the stock to tank, and the first 4 quarters would look pretty ugly.

And like I mentioned before... McYd's is slinging dollar menu items. Low profit margins with hit or miss demand. If they were moving hundreds and thousands of these a week in each franchise location, such a move would be highly practical. In the case of McYd's today, it would make absolutely no sense.

Yes, there are automated kiosks. Workers fill these with prepared foods. It's hardly automated outside of the exchange of cash and product. That's like pointing to a vending machine and saying "McDonalds should do that!" In fact, it's probably less automated than McDonalds today, who automated the filling of drinks and the cooking of their burgers.
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