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I remember using electric pencil on a TRS-80. The only issue was that this was 1993! School district didn't buy new computers for nearly a decade.
That's some serious underfunding.
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If you want SPSS for a single license forget it. It's about $5,0000! I also know some software packages that are proprietary to the point where you cannot buy them. The only way is to work for the companies licensed to use it.
I'm surprised that SPSS got that expensive. It used to be the cheaper of the statistical packages. And now with R, I don't see how they can keep it up. Of course, those packages usually have deals for students and with most universities. Though I don't think anybody would learn SPSS so much as learn statistics while using SPSS.
If it was the late Eighties, it was before MS Office even existed. Office rolled out in 1990.
The first Microsoft Office suite was released in 1989. For the Mac, no less. But MS Word was released in 1983 (1985 for the Mac version), and Excel in 1985.
I know MS Office reasonably well, but have never held a job that required me to use any of it at all, ever. I learned it for personal use. But even then I haven't used it in a few yrs as I use open source stuff now. I was under the impression that mostly cubicle dwellers or office workers would use it, none of which I've ever done. /shrug
I can never get over how often and serious employers are about asking if you know how to use MS Office, and to rate yourself at it. I'm not talking 20k a year jobs either. I'm talking jobs in the 50's and 60k's that require a degree. I mean if you can't figure out how to do email, spreadsheets, and word documents, then you have issues. Especially if you graduated college! I thought those were the first programs you are taught in college. How do you even graduate college without knowing these programs?
Seeing that you come off as a know-it-all brat with this exceedingly pompous original post, I'm assuming you are under the age of 30. Now, it might come as a great shock to you, but MS Office has not been (and, in some places, still isn't) the de facto standard for all that long. So, if one was to graduate college, say, in 1995 and then go to work in a place that used Lotus SmartSuite (now part of IBM Collaborative Solutions), they may have had little exposure to MS Office. Additionally, there are levels of knowledge. Clearly, you must be an expert *condescending smirk." However, there is a difference between between typing a basic letter and creating a business quality presentation. There is also a difference between creating a spreadsheet that balances a checkbook and one that is a full on ledger complete with pivot tables. But I guess you already knew that (not)...
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The first Microsoft Office suite was released in 1989. For the Mac, no less. But MS Word was released in 1983 (1985 for the Mac version), and Excel in 1985.
MS Office was not the de facto standard in most offices until about 2005 (Office 2003).
I suppose it depends what job you are going for. Im OK with Word, but some stuff in Excel cell formatting stuff gives me problems. Anecdotally, I find anything MS related to be very substandard in many ways.
I agree TK. Whenever I upgrade home software, I always purchase a dense How To book, in the event I need to know how to build a table, etc. I've used advanced functions before, but since I don't use them often (sometimes years in-between needing to know how to use certain functions), I always need to take out the book when using more advanced features.
And, MS is a crash magnet for sure, but I've got an MS OS, so I've learned a lot about fixing everything on my own over the past 20-yrs. My Apple friends have always given a wry smile when I've told them of spending time reformatting or retrieving docs after a crash.
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Ive had to take Prove-It tests in some jobs and passed, but Im stull not entirely comfortable with MS stuff. OFF TOPIC~~ I found on my Prove-It tests, on a lot of questions there is a hint word and to verify a pop-up box will appear with a follow-up question. If you have to take one, and a little perplexed at a question, look for the pop-ups!!!
Thank you for the Prove It info. Just looked it up & I see I can do tests on my own, which I will do. I'm job hunting, so spending the next week going through all the MS Office software I own, book in lap, to learn advanced functions. Never know if/when I'll be tested.
I can never get over how often and serious employers are about asking if you know how to use MS Office, and to rate yourself at it. I'm not talking 20k a year jobs either. I'm talking jobs in the 50's and 60k's that require a degree. I mean if you can't figure out how to do email, spreadsheets, and word documents, then you have issues. Especially if you graduated college! I thought those were the first programs you are taught in college. How do you even graduate college without knowing these programs?
Lots, and lots of people think they are way better at excel than they actually are. Many of them have no idea how little they actually know.
These are people who think that because they know how to sum a column they know how to do formulas let alone macros.
As for Word, even the brand new, recent college graduate, English teacher in my school had no idea how to turn on track changes in a shared document. So it is not necessarily a college thing.
Thank you for the Prove It info. Just looked it up & I see I can do tests on my own, which I will do. I'm job hunting, so spending the next week going through all the MS Office software I own, book in lap, to learn advanced functions. Never know if/when I'll be tested.
Thanks again.
You'll be OK
If the question starts with something like "When editing a formatted . . . .", The hint word is "edit" and you will get close by clicking the "Edit" tab on the taskbar. Then, when navigating the pulldown menu after clicking on "Edit", thats where you will want to look for a pop-up box. Its not on all of them, but more than a few.
This is very simplistic, but you get the picture
LOL @ this thread I graduated from college in 1972 long before computers were part of every day life. I'm now 63 years old and test out at expert in ALL MS Office products. How did I do this...self taught and I started out with the first versions, before that I was using the old DOS programs. I just got a new computer with Windows 8 and MS Office 2013, yes there are several things I haven't had time to figure out where they've re-arranged the info on. But really folks, it's not rocket science, if a little old lady like me can figure it out so can you, there are so many FREE resources online.
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I'm job hunting, so spending the next week going through all the MS Office software I own, book in lap, to learn advanced functions. Never know if/when I'll be tested.
