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In my area many grocery stores are forcing you to use them. Either use them or wait in a very long line (in many cases) to pay for a few items. I remember the days where one use to be able to make a living being a cashier at a supermarket. They would provide decent customer service too but those days are long over.
WAWA also has the automated cashiers to order food. If fast food chains are forced to pay their workers a higher salary look for this to become common almost everywhere.
Greedy CEO's will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Yes, they will. While America falls and less and less people frequent their 'establishment'. We will thrive together or we will fall together.
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Originally Posted by oldtrader
Legislate $15 an hour for fast food workers, and two things will happen.
1. Automate the order taking for food.
2. The new type automated hamburger maker will become in common use. They will pay for themselves in 6 months with $15 an hour wages. Not only can they make 350 hamburgers per hour, but they can improve the quality of the sandwich at a lower cost than today.
The entire restaurant will operate with 3 to 4 people to a shift.
Automation is coming ~ no matter what the minimum wage. I seriously question improving the quality of the McBurger, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by s1alker
The middle class is ever increasingly being eroded in this country. These chain restaurants and supermarkets rely primarily on the middle class for it's sales. Getting rid of more jobs just shoots themselves in the foot. Of course most retailers and even restaurants are more increasingly accepting SNAP benefit cards
They are so dumb - they can't even see that. Red Lobster is about to go under; as is Olive Garden, with Ruby Tuesdays in line as well. Of course the CEO will walk away with a big bonus so I guess it doesn't matter anyway. The middle class is getting more and more choosy about where they spend their money.
Why wouldn't they? A company is out to make money.
Yes but look at it this way, as a tax payer we pay for this. If a burger flipper and cashier is replaced by machines wouldn't they then be entitled to SSI, Medicaid, food stamps, government milk, government cheese and "Obamaphones"? It's not just the employers or customers that pay for that, it's ALL OF US.
Then how about we allow landlords to rent out property that minimum wage workers can afford? (i.e. lower housing and zoning standards)
Right here is the solution: the [actual real] FREE MARKET.
STOP local governments and the feds incentivizing transportation oriented stacked housing in urban centers and weighting the local/state legislature votes by population instead of by COUNTY.
THAT's the FIRST problem. What a scam.
SECOND:
Until local and federal governments stop the "PLANNING" ie growth restrictions and IMPACT FEES - artificially raising the cost of private property, ESPECIALLY with wages stagnating, NOTHING will be fixed.
There will be more DEMAND and less supply.
PRIVATE PROPERTY ownership - AFFORDABLE property (not fake mortgages that people can't afford) will encourage more home ownership - especially for younger people who are locked OUT NOW, AND family formations and a more stable society.
WHO is going to get married if they can't even afford a house or kids? Let alone getting government subsidies to remain government dependent.
It doesn't have to be all URBAN in fact, the suburbs or more sprawl-y states like FLORIDA are a disgrace with the state owning over 50% of all property. WHY????
It took DISNEY 18 months to build. You can't even buy "a lot" you find and build a house on it now within that time. For that matter you can't even get a fast food truck going LOL.
It's like nobody ever heard of supply side economics.
HOW Exactly did the FEDS think forcing banks into giving expensive mortgages to lower income unqualified people (or ANY economic level)....for PEAK PRICE BUBBLE HOUSING markets while wages stagnated was going to work?
BECAUSE they didn't care they only wanted the "votes" and "ideology".
Podcasts of Steve Meyer on our local radio station; proponent of revamping the Florida legislature and true FREE MARKET private property rights for the CITIZENS not the politicians and bureaucracies, coupled with the rule of law :
And THIS is exactly why the GOP will phase out. They are not converting young Liberals to be more conservative because they have NO economic message and are just another version of Democrat. Big government but not QUITE as big.
Except in say, TEXAS where they do NOT have those planning and government problems and had much less of a bubble problem and housing problem. But I imagine that'll be changing too now with Liberals all moving there.
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They are so dumb - they can't even see that. Red Lobster is about to go under; as is Olive Garden, with Ruby Tuesdays in line as well. Of course the CEO will walk away with a big bonus so I guess it doesn't matter anyway. The middle class is getting more and more choosy about where they spend their money.
Actually, Darden (parent of Red Lobster and Olive Garden) is earning money and looks in no danger of imminent collapse- Ruby Tuesday is another question, they might go under as they are losing $$.
Restaurants become more or less popular depending on people's changing tastes.
People are always choosy about where they want to eat, those who aren't going to Ruby Tuesdays or Quiznos (another endangered restaurant) are going to Chipolte or Panera instead.
It has little to do with "class conscienceness" for the Middle Class, just what people want to eat.
A fully unionized restaurant that pays top wages isn't going to get customers if it doesn't provide meals that the people want to eat.
Doesn't matter if it is disingenuous. We have a 24/7 business cycle so for some employees to be making overtime 16-17% of the time adds up. Or to suggest they do not have to work which means it would cost even more capital to cover them.
"Wal-Mart Stores Inc. chief executive H. Lee Scott Jr. called on Congress to raise the country's minimum wage from $5.15 an hour, saying the company's customers are "struggling to get by."
Scott, head of the world's largest retailer, which has been criticized for paying low wages, providing few health care benefits and causing the demise of small businesses across the country, ticked off a list of changes he said the company plans to make and called for a higher minimum wage in a speech to directors and executives Monday."
"Some supporters of increasing the minimum wage embraced Scott's statement. Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, released a statement saying, "If Wal-Mart can push for an increased minimum wage, so can the House and Senate leadership."
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), said in a statement, "If the CEO of Wal-Mart can call for an increase in the minimum wage, the Republicans should follow suit on behalf of the millions of working men and women living in poverty."
Walmart has enough capital to pay more. Smaller businesses do not. It's just a fact of business. Look at the tech industry. Price drop all the time as r&d constantly makes for faster processors and making everything cheaper. Economies of scale mean that you can pretty much outspend and outlast a smaller rival. Amazon of an example of a company that was more efficient in various markets (books, movies and music) rolled that money into r&d of the kindle, kindle fire, amazon prime and selling anything under the sun.
In games of chess you might sacrifice a rook or a bishop in order to gain a better spot to get a queen and of course the king. Likewise for walmart to eat a small cost to them but a huge cost to others much is gained.
That article is from 2005. The minimum wage hasn't been 5.25/hr for several years.
Actually, Darden (parent of Red Lobster and Olive Garden) is earning money and looks in no danger of imminent collapse- Ruby Tuesday is another question, they might go under as they are losing $$.
Restaurants become more or less popular depending on people's changing tastes.
People are always choosy about where they want to eat, those who aren't going to Ruby Tuesdays or Quiznos (another endangered restaurant) are going to Chipolte or Panera instead.
It has little to do with "class conscienceness" for the Middle Class, just what people want to eat.
A fully unionized restaurant that pays top wages isn't going to get customers if it doesn't provide meals that the people want to eat.
I'm surprised Darden is not with Ruby Tuesday. I've only known of one restaurant of their's that didn't have problems with orders or servers at least once whether I went there or someone else did. I guess people don't see the same incompetence that I do or just don't care about that...
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