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When they day comes that these immigrants replace blue collar workers abroad, then the country will have riots. Companies don't dare to eliminate non-skilled labor yet because it would cause chaos and discontent with the largest % of the population and riots happen. The reason the govt pay out food stamps and welfare checks is to keep the less fortunate away from crime.
Workers are being replaced at all levels by non-American workforce. Right from CEOs of some of the best companies in their respective fields (e.g. Google, PepsiCo, Microsoft, MasterCard) to white-collar jobs in medicine, IT, finance, and accounting. Hotel and motels, gas stations, newsstands, coffee shops and convenience stores are mostly owned by immigrants. Construction, landscaping and home improvement is again, mostly operated by immigrants.
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For high skill work, a typical college educated financial analyst, bio-med engineer, or IT worker could be making from $60k-200k and now they are being replaced by immigrant worker making only 1/4 of that. You probably don't care but these are the people who are working in payroll or the bank making sure your loans are processed or credit card bills are calculated correctly or the medicine the company is making is safe and meets standards.
1/4th? Really?!? Unless you are referring to what outsourced workers get paid in their home countries, your numbers are completely bogus. Where did you find an immigrant senior IT worker making 50k in US? Most fresh off the boat IT workers make far more than 50k on their first assignment. There is a fair chance a new H1B visa worker is paid 10-20% below the market rate but after 3-4 years of work in the US, they get paid exactly the same as their American counterparts.
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What I've seen is tons of job centers are bringing in hundreds and thousands of immigrant worker on work visas to perform office work. Usually these job sites are offsite and not connected to the main corporate HQ and located at some hub nearby transportation to make it easier immigrants to come by plane and get here.
Come by plane and work there? They commute by plane, everyday? That almost sounds like science fiction! I have been working with Fortune 100 companies for the past 10+ years and am yet to see or hear of any company setting up a hub just for immigrant workers. Yes, if you are talking about companies creating hubs far away from the HQ for back-office work, that is true, but that is for all back-office workers (i.e. HR, IT, accounting, payroll, operations), not just for immigrants.
The total H1B visa quota for a year is 65,000. There is no way corporations can bring in "hundreds of thousands" of immigrant workers on work visa and make them work in transportation-connected-hubs.
Where are you seeing these immigrants at work? I live in a city with a high immigrant population. They do manual labor (construction, groundskeeping) or janitorial work or work for Walmart. They don't work in fast food, they don't fix my car, they don't work at the regular grocery stores. With the exception of the medical field, and IT, They certainly aren't doing higher end work that requires a degree.
If you took the immigrants out of IT and the hospitals, they would cease to function. There just aren't enough native americans willing to do the work.
If you don't want immigrants to work in the USA, don't patronize businesses that hire them.
Where, exactly, do you live? The reason I ask is that I live in an immigrant (both legal and illegal) heavy area.
Where I live, they work in fast food. The local McDonald's used to be staffed by high school and college kids, SAHMs looking to supplement the family income and senior citizens looking to supplement their retirement company. Now that same McD's is staffed by Hispanics---some who can barely speak English.
While we have an American mechanic who works on our car, there are other shops that are fully staffed by immigrants. As for the local supermarket, depending on the neighborhood, most are staffed by Hispanics. Others, American citizens and non-Hispanic legal immigrants hold those jobs.
As for not enough Americans willing to work in hospitals---you've got to be kidding! Many Americans want to go to nursing school but are turned away because there are only so many seats available. Last time I checked, Americans also still want to go to med school.
You can't complain about how if some hospitals lost their immigrant workers "they would cease to function", then in the next breath tell people to not "patronize businesses that hire them".
This is a major reason I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. He is the only candidate who's demonstrated any interest in protecting Americans' jobs.
As far as I can tell, he's the only candidate who even acknowledges the stranglehold American corporations have on this country. They try to buy elections and Sen. Sanders is the only candidate prioritizing election finance reform. They move jobs overseas or bring in lower-paid workers to increase their profits and Sen. Sanders also acknowledges this and addresses it. He also addresses tax increases going to what's left of the middle class instead of those who are better equipped to pay. He's also the only candidate who has a plan to repair the damage the GOP has done to public education.
Voters who vote against their own economic interests by willingly handing over more and more power to America's 1% (I'm talking to you voters of Kansas!) deserve the increasingly pathetic lives they're leading.
Where are you seeing these immigrants at work? I live in a city with a high immigrant population. They do manual labor (construction, groundskeeping) or janitorial work or work for Walmart. They don't work in fast food, they don't fix my car, they don't work at the regular grocery stores. With the exception of the medical field, and IT, They certainly aren't doing higher end work that requires a degree.
If you took the immigrants out of IT and the hospitals, they would cease to function. There just aren't enough native americans willing to do the work.
If you don't want immigrants to work in the USA, don't patronize businesses that hire them.
Which is the vast majority of hospitals, food suppliers, consumer goods... "Made in America" just means made on US land. It could be "Made in America" by non-Americans.
If it weren't for immigrants, many key industries in America would crumble. Americans avoid many of the jobs that immigrants are known to gravitate towards.
If it weren't for immigrants, many key industries in America would crumble. Americans avoid many of the jobs that immigrants are known to gravitate towards.
Not true at all.
Who do you think did (and still does) those jobs before we got flooded with both legal and illegal immigrants? Americans did them. Once both legal and illegal immigrants became a dime a dozen, sleazy employers quickly figured out that they could hire them and pay them far less than they pay Americans. They also knew that they could exploit illegal aliens by not providing safe working conditions or benefits.
Many honest people who worked in the construction industries have lost their livelihoods due to illegal immigration. They found that they couldn't compete with sleazy companies who hired illegals and paid under the table.
For example, if you pay attention, you will see Americans cleaning hotel rooms---even in immigrant-heavy cities. If you peeked into the back of the house in restaurants, you will see Americans working there. In fact, for example, there is a chain restaurant conglomerate that uses E-verify. They have no problems finding both Americans and legal immigrants to take their jobs.
Any business that knowingly hires illegal aliens or caters to them is a diseased business that needs to die.
Who do you think did (and still does) those jobs before we got flooded with both legal and illegal immigrants? Americans did them. Once both legal and illegal immigrants became a dime a dozen, sleazy employers quickly figured out that they could hire them and pay them far less than they pay Americans. They also knew that they could exploit illegal aliens by not providing safe working conditions or benefits.
Many honest people who worked in the construction industries have lost their livelihoods due to illegal immigration. They found that they couldn't compete with sleazy companies who hired illegals and paid under the table.
For example, if you pay attention, you will see Americans cleaning hotel rooms---even in immigrant-heavy cities. If you peeked into the back of the house in restaurants, you will see Americans working there. In fact, for example, there is a chain restaurant conglomerate that uses E-verify. They have no problems finding both Americans and legal immigrants to take their jobs.
Any business that knowingly hires illegal aliens or caters to them is a diseased business that needs to die.
Key word being "before". Welcome to 2016. Demographics aren't on our side.
The company has to post the salary offered to H1Bs. Based on the postings I've seen, yes, the compensation is lower than how much a similarly qualified American would demand. Not by a humongous amount, but a significant percentage less.
Not to mention they are basically hiring slaves.
The worker doesn't like working 80 hours?
Tough. Go back to India.
That's the main reason employers like this. It removes a competitive work environment because the H1B holder HAS to work for that employer or return home.
The IT world has a history of this. Just look at the collusion that went on between the big tech companies in Silicon Valley where they wouldn't hire each others workers.
This makes no sense. Stagemomma even sites hospitals as one of the(few in her estimation) places where immigrants dominate. Are she and you suggesting we stop going to hospitals? Is this a polite way of telling us to just go and die?
Well, no, just pointing out that if this is important to you, you have choices.
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I have been working with Fortune 100 companies for the past 10+ years and am yet to see or hear of any company setting up a hub just for immigrant workers. Yes, if you are talking about companies creating hubs far away from the HQ for back-office work, that is true, but that is for all back-office workers (i.e. HR, IT, accounting, payroll, operations), not just for immigrants. 
