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Old 04-20-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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And Trump is going to have Mexico build the wall, taking jobs from Americans.
Can't you even get his most famous QUOTE CORRECT?

"Mexico is going to PAY FOR THE WALL."

He's never once said BUILD the wall, FFS.
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Old 04-20-2016, 10:32 PM
 
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At what time in history did unskilled people make up the middle class?... why do you make the assumption that a person will remain unskilled? If someone is unskilled, sure start out at minimum wage jobs. Then use that and build their skills and work up. The reason unskilled people have a hard time breaking into the middle class is because they don't work at obtaining more skills. They work at obtaining more jobs that use the skills they have and not developing new ones.

Forget who else on here say this, but repeating the same job for 20 years is 1 year of experience done 19 more times. They can be the best minimum wage worker, but a professional minimum wage worker is still a minimum wage worker. To move up that, they need to start to add skills beyond that. If they have to take on extra duties at the job to learn more, or go back to school for it, or just look for different jobs to do it, they need to.
What?

Unskilled would be someone who never built a car but starts at the factory and then can build a car later.

They are no longer UNSKILLED.

The member said "broke through" to the middle class.

Jeeze and my mother's cleaning lady and her factory worker husband both from Italy in the 1980s worked their butts off and put both kids through college, one attended West Point and they build a huge single house in the burbs thereafter as nice as any I've seen.

Their brother started a pizza store, same thing.

That's people starting out as UNSKILLED and breaking THROUGH. I understood EXACTLY what they meant.
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Old 04-20-2016, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Tucson for awhile longer
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The economy has improved. It certainly is NOT "liberal rhetoric." Jobs are not as secure or as well-paid as they used to be, but that's the result of Wall Street demanding growth every quarter and the 1% thinking their needs are paramount over the welfare of the average citizen. Large corporations are still sending jobs overseas and manipulating the tax codes to avoid paying their fair share.

But it's not as impossible to get a job as it was five years ago. In recent months the jobless rate held steady at 5%, down from 2009's peak of 10%. The Dow is up and business foreclosure filings have fallen to near a 10-year low. Throughout the recovery, inflation for consumers has remained low and gas prices have been very low this year.

Of course there are still problems to address. Wages are still stagnant. The Federal debt has not been lowered significantly beyond the terrible rise it took during the Bush Administration. The tax code remains a mess despite the fact that corporations are finding it harder to beat it under Obama. Bill Clinton remains the modern president who has added the least to the Federal debt. Finally, we continue to demand that young people get college educations yet do nothing to help them financially. And the debt they incur makes it harder for them to become homeowners, something that has always been a hallmark of our middle class.
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Can't you even get his most famous QUOTE CORRECT?
I have misquoted The Donald. Oh noes.
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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The problem with the job market is the political BS that goes with stating how many jobs are available.

The government will say that 1 million people got a job last month and things are great, but not say the jobs were 30 hrs a week and minimum wage, paying $800 a month and with the cost of living in a semi decent area typically requiring $13-14hr working full time for a single person just to barely get by on $27-30K, who on earth can live on $800-1000 a month.
I agree. This isn't even sufficient for a living wage.
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Old 04-21-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Berkeley Neighborhood, Denver, CO USA
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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It's Janet Yellen and Obama trying to get Hillary elected. If anyone else wins, you can bet the Fed will then decide its a good time to raise interest rates and watch the economy fall apart (which, by the way, needs to happen and should have happened a long time ago, so we could actually have a healthy economy- the delay is solely to elect political buddies).
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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I'm in Seattle, it's crazy here. As HR Manager/Recruiter I've posted accounting jobs last year and had 60 resumes in a couple of days, this year, it was 10 for basically the same position.
Heard the same from neighbors whose companies are trying to hire. Said that they were flooded with applicants a few years ago but just a handful coming in now. Several applicants pulled their resumes recently, stating they had changed their mind about moving to NC.
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:05 AM
 
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All this and more at Calculated Risk
Love the charts. Amazed to see that the applications for unemployment benefits is down in the range it was in the 70's. Wow!

Thanks for posting.
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Old 04-21-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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Yeah, you say that, meanwhile, the fat slob loser CEO guys use this to justify them continuing to get richer while they exploit everyone else. You just keep drinking the Koolaid.
CEOs have nothing to do with you or me. They aren't paying my bills and they aren't paying yours.


If your current job only pays 25k and you really need 65k, then what else can YOU do to except for pursuing a higher paying job. There are jobs that pay 65k. How is that drinking Kool-Aid?


Stop trying to blame your personal failures on people who have no involvement or power in your life. Seriously, is Jeff Bezos keeping you down? He doesn't even know you exist.


Of course, I'm intentionally ignoring entrepreneurship as I doubt someone blaming CEOs would have the acumen to become one.
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