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I have no objection to bringing in low wage or low skilled workers, or H1Bs. Provided that the job offer first goes to an unemployed/underemployed permanent resident or citizen.
That's not how the program works, though. Americans are undercut and bypassed.
Supporting these programs is un-American. You are literally flipping the bird at Americans.
None if it is illegal :S I don't mind legal immigrants. Though I feel like immigration rules aren't up to date in making it easier to immigrate, but that's a political view
Most of the jobs they take anyways will be automated away or if not, the people here consider the jobs below them so they wouldn't do it even if there were 100 jobs per applicant. They would just keep ignoring it and hoping for better. Yeah, they somehow learned how to feed themselves on hope.
It wont' matter though, digital world means physical location is unimportant, why would a foreigner risk being "illegal" when they can stay in home country and just do a digital job?
Usually these jobs are so incredibly low pay that they are probably not feeding themselves on it and definitely not housing themselves so if I am just going to starve slower or die of exposure rather than hunger why would I do that job? Illegals are sending money back home where that money is MUCH more leveraging so its temporary pain for them to set themselves up back home.
The point of this in the context of this thread was my point that these workers are a bigger threat to most of our jobs than illegal immigrants will ever be. OP started this thread to frighten people about a few illegal immigrants attending college. In my experience that is not anything most of us need to worry about (especially as companies can't legally hire them) as the workers the companies themselves bring over legally.
The point of this in the context of this thread was my point that these workers are a bigger threat to most of our jobs than illegal immigrants will ever be. OP started this thread to frighten people about a few illegal immigrants attending college. In my experience that is not anything most of us need to worry about (especially as companies can't legally hire them) as the workers the companies themselves bring over legally.
I am less worried about companies hiring illegals (or legals) as I am companies and rich people slowly buying up all the public lands under the guise of "capitalism" and "freedom" effectively making everyone else surfs and trespassers when this entire nation turns into one big rich persons private property.
Then we will all be illegals and peasents to our lords and barrons who can go out with their custom shot guns and hunt and fish on their vast tracts of private land while we sit in a 10x10 apartment in a big city working in their companies.
I am less worried about companies hiring illegals (or legals) as I am companies and rich people slowly buying up all the public lands under the guise of "capitalism" and "freedom" effectively making everyone else surfs and trespassers when this entire nation turns into one big rich persons private property.
Then we will all be illegals and peasents to our lords and barrons who can go out with their custom shot guns and hunt and fish on their vast tracts of private land while we sit in a 10x10 apartment in a big city working in their companies.
Its like the dark ages only with iphones lol.
I'm not so sure about rich people doing it (though with the rise of eminent domain, it's possible.) I'm more worried that the feds can just take land by declaring it a "national monument" or a "nature preserve".
They've already taken millions of acres this way. It's already led to some standoffs like the Bundy Ranch standoff and the occupation of that federal building with people who are fed up with it.
I'm not so sure about rich people doing it (though with the rise of eminent domain, it's possible.) I'm more worried that the feds can just take land by declaring it a "national monument" or a "nature preserve".
They've already taken millions of acres this way. It's already led to some standoffs like the Bundy Ranch standoff and the occupation of that federal building with people who are fed up with it.
The way I see this kind of stuff is the rich people are just jealous of the feds because they don't have their own exclusive lodge and hunting lands they can kick everyone else off of with threat of violence. Oh except for the low paid surfs they hire to clean the lodge who cant also hunt and enjoy the property. That is exactly the same dynamic as the dark age surfs and lords. Picutre the surfs all scurrying about while the lord casually wakes up and has his coffee and goes out for a morning bird hunt. Yea no thanks, that's why my family left Ireland hundreds of years ago.
Its not about freedom its about envy, the rich people have been salivating for decades to get these lands and at least with the feds people can go look at the land and hike or apply for a nominal cost hunting permit, etc. Also I have a lot more respect for the feds than private companies because how often do you hear about mass federal employee lay offs ...
Either rich "job creators" will be your master or the feds and I will take the feds any day. Citizens are no longer equal because corrupt people have created a system where they can enslave (without chains) a lot of other people by stealing intellectual property in courts and artificially inflating the cost of real estate or any other substantial assets.
The feds do help the corrupt elite by creating onerous regulations to keep people down if none of the other factors are at play (which generally only applies to the middle of no where).
The point of this in the context of this thread was my point that these workers are a bigger threat to most of our jobs than illegal immigrants will ever be. OP started this thread to frighten people about a few illegal immigrants attending college. In my experience that is not anything most of us need to worry about (especially as companies can't legally hire them) as the workers the companies themselves bring over legally.
I'm at the point now where I fold illegal immigration and legal immigration into the same issue when it comes to employment.
They're squeezing us at both ends: illegal immigrants on the low-skilled, low-education end and legal immigrants on the white collar end.
Either way, replacing Americans en masse with immigrants (be they legal or illegal) is totally unacceptable to me.
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I'm at the point now where I fold illegal immigration and legal immigration into the same issue when it comes to employment.
They're squeezing us at both ends: illegal immigrants on the low-skilled, low-education end and legal immigrants on the white collar end.
Either way, replacing Americans en masse with immigrants (be they legal or illegal) is totally unacceptable to me.
That ship has sailed. I was just considering changing medical providers and looked up several local family clinics in the area. They typically have a bio with picture on all of their doctors. All had several doctors with medical degrees from other countries before here, at two of the clinics all 6-8 doctors were from India or Eastern Europe.
This is utterly anecdotal. Just like Americans are all varied with differing personalities so are Indians and Chinese. Of course I understand the need to stereotype non-Americans into one big pile based on their country of origin, but since you make some valid points in other posts, perhaps you would understand if someone pointed it out.
No culture is made up of identical people. I didn't say that non-Americans have the same personalities, so please don't put words in my mouth.
There are cultural norms that vary from culture to culture, and helping one's fellow country-men is one of those values that are different in white America than in other cultures.
No culture is made up of identical people. I didn't say that non-Americans have the same personalities, so please don't put words in my mouth.
There are cultural norms that vary from culture to culture, and helping one's fellow country-men is of those values that are different in white America than in other cultures.
White America is not a country. An American's fellow countrymen include all Americans, including people of color.
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