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Old 11-16-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Amazon flex is a delivery operation where drivers use their own cars and phones to deliver packages.
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Amazon advertises an hourly rate of $18 to $25 for Flex. But interviews with Flex drivers and research by financial analysts at Bernstein indicate the net pay is much less when accounting for ...expenses. Actual earnings are $5 or $11 an hour, ...Bernstein found
They also have arranged the rules such that the drivers feel compelled to break traffic laws:

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“The delivery windows are really, really tight, so you have to hustle,” ... “You’re not an Amazon driver if you haven’t run a stop sign.”
Many of the workers don't track costs, so have no idea what they really make.

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Most [gig] participants ... underestimate... costs..., says David Weil, a former administrator for the U.S. Labor Department. “Countless studies and basic behavioral economics tell us that workers tend to gauge immediate gains more heavily than long-term costs,” says Weil...“Our brains are wired to focus on the incoming amount, not the outgoing costs, and large companies using gig workers are taking advantage of that.”
That's great for Jeff Bezos and Amazon stockholders, but not so great for these workers who are essentially being gulled. Also not so great for anyone who gets T-boned by a Flex driver running a red light.
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Old 11-16-2018, 05:47 PM
 
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One is better off working a McJob than doing Amazon flex.
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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If it were profitable Amazon would hire their own drivers. Do you really think they would give up profit ?
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Old 11-16-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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"being gulled"?

If someone doesn't like the job, they won't take it.
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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sounds likea page out of the Uber/Lyft model
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:23 PM
 
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Does amazon actually pay them 18/hr as advertised? If someone is an independent contractor, it's not the employer business what the participant's costs are.
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Old 11-17-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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And what is the difference between this and Pizza Delivery drivers? Running lights, speeding, maybe we should add going up one way streets the wrong way ('It was only a couple hundred feet') All to make a corporate promised delivery time.
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Old 11-17-2018, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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"being gulled"?

If someone doesn't like the job, they won't take it.
You could say the same thing about any con operation. If you don't want to be conned by a Bernie Madoff, don't give him your money to invest. Yet Madoff still went to prison.
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Old 11-17-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Does amazon actually pay them 18/hr as advertised? If someone is an independent contractor, it's not the employer business what the participant's costs are.
I believe they pay them by the package. In other words, the $18 is just an estimated amount.
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Old 11-17-2018, 04:04 PM
 
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You could say the same thing about any con operation. If you don't want to be conned by a Bernie Madoff, don't give him your money to invest. Yet Madoff still went to prison.
To be clear, are you saying any independent contracting jobs are cons?

No one is lied to in any way with this job.
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