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Same old same old Nat.....when emotions override logic and understanding.
What is so hard to understand that if I can carry a firearm for personal protection in the US where you in Canada can't, it is an activity, a right, a prerogative, call you whatever you want to call it, that is not restricted here so, by definition, I have freedom to do it....you want me to make a drawing so you can understand better or spell it for you?? It is a freedom that you may not care about it but if I can do something here that I cannot do there, within the sphere of that activity I'm more free...call it firearm freedom if you wish
I love that when a law go against your own preconceived idea of how the world should be it is "one step away from sanity" and the dissenting opinion is what it counts......when the law goes against what you think it is wrong.....interesting....
The text of the 2nd amendment for you
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, ---COMMA--- the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
....but you said in a earlier post that you don't equate guns with freedom...even though you did. Now you are saying it again
Yes one step away from sanity. Many Americans believe the insanity of US gun laws have to change.
Ya, ya infringed. Then why are there ANY gun laws in the US?? Isn't asking for licensing, and restricting certain weapons an infringement? All gun control people are asking is for BETTER infringements that fit the 21st century reality, and not a 18th century one.
You made another Saturno leap about my views on laws. I'm talking about one specific law, that is the cause of what any sane person thinks is insane.
How many segments of 10 post was post 172? Over 100. Nothing to do with this latest mockery of the US
Post 172 was in reply to this
Then post 172
It was a general post and a ultra-conservative view. This person probably sees US cities that banned guns and have racial issues as socialistic.
You follow up with Canada's great points and it does have gun ownership ..... just more limited and quench that persons opinion that is totally political.
Canadians especially..... get all the US political wrangling news and or current knee-jerk response President's. They surely have heard a ultra-conservative response as that.
Wherever the bait or rehashed post came in..... it got turned into a Canada (superior and civilized) over a US still as if in its Wild Wild Western era of gun toting citizens. I've never saw a shopper in a grocery store with a fire-arm like I heard you might see in Texas. Still those who want the US second amendment upheld and not further banning weaponry.... are NOT the ones who do the shootings in our major cities (not going further on that).
Just because the US has a President that replies in extreme rhetoric. He won't be one forever. The US HAS ITS OWN CULTURE in even being a REDNECK for some. If diversity is a Canadian value (as always boasted higher then the US)? Then even this faction or those with degrees of it are part of the Nations diversity.
Really, suddenly it was a coincidence of this gang on a inferior US for gun ownership vs other nations who have it too? I addressed the RANTS with my PERSONAL experience by where I live. I made NO political statement vs Canada. I have no issue if guns are banned ..... but I also realize to some it's a FUNDEMENTAL RIGHT. Next will be a US uncompassionate in its healthcare system and I abhor myself our health insurance system. That's another thread too.
End of my rant and I have nothing to lessen other Nations listed here or Canada (not listed in the thread topic of Nations). Or want to be accused of derailing the thread. But time to move off this I'd say ...... or start a thread in the world forum for this sub-topic and unload on the US all you want on its Second Constitution amendment and what it SHOULD MEAN. Certainly.... it did not mean everyone should have had a cannon in their shed back then or a tank today?
Besides the American poster who brought up Canada, I don't see why any country can't be brought up in this thread.
The question does not state that the answer MUST be one of the countries listed, but is an open question. Surely if I asked you what is the best flavour of ice-cream, strawberry, chocolate or vanilla, and yours was pistachio, you would answer pistachio.
Gun ownership is not a "craze"...people have to learn to respect other people interests without being judgmental. I really have enough of disparaging comment from some deranged gun haters...mind your own business.
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Originally Posted by saturno_v
That Vox article?? pure garbage and playing with definitions
Firearm Homicide?? So we do not care about the others...
Not to mention the laughable "States with tighter gun control laws have fewer gun-related deaths" and the "States with more guns have more gun deaths"
Montana has more gun death than California or Illionis?? Ahahahaha
Lol, this guy cannot be serious.
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Originally Posted by saturno_v
Pointless, emotional, unhinged rant from you...what is new....no point in debating...
LOL Most suicides in Canada and Japan are not committed with fire arms. You are looking for anything to grab onto now.
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Originally Posted by saturno_v
Finally, the other dear argument of the antis "let's restrict gun ownership also to reduce the number of suicides because is far easier to commit suicide with a gun than any other means" is totally debunked by evidence too.
Fresh from the WHO, the 2017 suicide rate by country.
The so called First World countries
United States 12.4
Canada 10.4
United Kingdom 7.4
Ireland 11.1
New Zealand 12.3
Australia 10.4
Belgium 16.1
France 12.3
Germany 9.1
Spain 6.0
Portugal 8.5
Italy 5.4
Austria 11.7
Netherlands 9.4
Denmark 9.1
Norway 9.3
Finland 14.2
Sweden 12.7
Iceland 11.8
Finally Japan, probably the strictest country when it comes to firearms, drumroll.....15.4
LOL Most suicides in Canada and Japan are not committed with fire arms. You are looking for anything to grab onto now.
....and you did not understand even a comma of what I wrote.....nobody is talking about suicides by firearms my friend but debunking the myth pushed by some more guns = more suicides which is patently false.
Japan, where private firearm ownership is basically totally banned, has a higher suicide rate than the US.
I understand some of the alarmism coming from people living outside the US (or North America in general) because all they know about America comes from the media (which usually push an agenda). I'm a bit less sympathetic of people that live in the country and they should know better.
You're not sympathetic to a lot of us then. There are plenty of us here who do not want people walking the streets with guns. As for some shooter saving people from a gunman, well...if the gunman hadn't had a gun in the first place, the shooter wouldn't have had to shoot him. What is with the guns? For what???
I'd choose a country in which the people were happier, got along better, knew how to compromise on things, were more tolerant, and didn't feel a need to shoot at each other. You can think of a country as being like a person: in its infancy each is self centered (the child is me-me-me), then it grows older and learns to share, and finally it is mature enough to become a parent and actually nurture and help people.
I want a country that has reached maturity. A country that isn't about greed and personal gain, a country where people help one another and don't begrudge someone getting some help, a country where people are grown up enough to share and to care about each other.
I'm also tired of the childish name calling and belittling attitudes of some Americans. It has come to this and we were a great country. Lately the worst has been brought out. Let's hope that this behavior signifies a last gasp and that once this period is over, we will emerge as a mature country.
Luxembourg
Norway
Switzerland
Japan
The Netherlands
Sweden
Germany
Australia
Austria
Denmark
Canada
U.K(England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Wales)
France
USA
Australia
New Zealand
Honorable mentions: South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Brunei, Finland, Spain, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Italy, Iceland, Taiwan, Belgium
I understand some of the alarmism coming from people living outside the US (or North America in general) because all they know about America comes from the media (which usually push an agenda). I'm a bit less sympathetic of people that live in the country and they should know better.
You're not sympathetic to a lot of us then. There are plenty of us here who do not want people walking the streets with guns. As for some shooter saving people from a gunman, well...if the gunman hadn't had a gun in the first place, the shooter wouldn't have had to shoot him. What is with the guns? For what???
I'd choose a country in which the people were happier, got along better, knew how to compromise on things, were more tolerant, and didn't feel a need to shoot at each other. You can think of a country as being like a person: in its infancy each is self centered (the child is me-me-me), then it grows older and learns to share, and finally it is mature enough to become a parent and actually nurture and help people.
I want a country that has reached maturity. A country that isn't about greed and personal gain, a country where people help one another and don't begrudge someone getting some help, a country where people are grown up enough to share and to care about each other.
I'm also tired of the childish name calling and belittling attitudes of some Americans. It has come to this and we were a great country. Lately the worst has been brought out. Let's hope that this behavior signifies a last gasp and that once this period is over, we will emerge as a mature country.
Move, easy. I have done it 4 times in my life.....
LOL Most suicides in Canada and Japan are not committed with fire arms. You are looking for anything to grab onto now.
It doesn't matter how the suicides are conducted that was his entire point.
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