Nugent Reveals Details to Beck About the Alaskan Hunting Trip That Made Him a Target (Metlakatla: land, area)

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by LittleJazzyP

I've read every post on this thread, and if you look back at them, as well as the ones I made on the thread that was locked, you will see that I even made an argument for baiting if a person needed to kill that animal to survive.

I understand your point. I simply disagree with you. Nugent is a sport hunter, and I see little sport in baiting for animals that, from the sound of things, one practically trips over in that corner of the world. He didn't track it, he didn't outwit it, he just shot it, and for someone who considers hunting a test of skill, that seems really, really lame.

I understand your points. But according to the reports I read, Ted Nugent did not lethally injure the bear. The arrow was clean of blood, and found at the spot he shot the bear at. A bear that is shot through the lungs or heart dies from bleeding, often at a distance from where it was shot at, leaving behind a trail of blood.

According to the reports Ted Nugent missed the shot, and perhaps nicked the bear with the tip of arrow. The State never charged him of a hunting violation, probably because they could not prove it, even with the film made by the the show's crew. Otherwise he would have been found guilty by the State of Alaska.

Also, keep in mind that the rules relating to the meat, hide, and skull applies to all hunters, regardless if they are sports hunters or not. If the hunter does not want the meat, then he or she can legally release it to another person (s) in writing, just like is done in numerous regions around the world. While sport hunting (or fishing) is not something I participate on, those who do aren't wrong about it as long as it's done in accordance to the laws. Some of us may find it unethical, etc., but not all people think alike.

It's OK to disagree.

[hogfamily]

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[Wrennie]

Originally Posted by LittleJazzyP

You didn't, but the the implication was that what applies in and around Fairbanks applies elsewhere in Alaska.

Even as a green-ass newcomer, I can see that there is tremendous variety in local customs around this large and diverse state. Why is there so little respect for that? Met has not told hunters how to hunt in the interior, she's talking about POW. Seems to me that they are two very different environments.

Amen Dammit!

[Wrennie]

NOT True. This is driving me nuts. Ray, I'm trying to respect your rights and appreciate you for trying to be factual, but for cryin out loud this is getting old.
When I come up there to hunt I listen to the people I'm visiting and THAT's responsible hunting.
I never, ever, want to call myself an expert about anything but I know this region's black bears, and Unit 2 and surrounding's hunting, I've done it forever and hope to always be able to do so.

What is happening here IS NOT GOOD and that's the message that needs to get out.
Get your nose out of the manuals and listen to actual, eyewitness testimony...please!
This is so frustrating to me because it really is an important subject.

Going to bed now. Ach.

[Metlakatla]

Wrennie, I doubt that we ever have to worry about Ray showing up in SE; he's too cheap. But he'll always have Google.

[RedJacket]

Deer hunting is another example of great white hunters.

You get a group of, say, eight or ten "hunters" who pretty much surround a small wooded area in an open field where some deer have gone off to hide from other great white hunters.

All "hunters" are equipped with walkie-talkies so they can 10-4 each other while hunting this small patch of woods. At one end you have some of these brave souls walking and shouting to get the deer moving. On the sides and other end of this patch of woods you have other hero's waiting for the deer to literally trip over them, and then -- BAM! BAM! BAM! -- a dead deer or two.

After that, all the great white hunters gather at a local watering hole and talk (for hours and hours) about their heroic hunt while the gutted out deer remains securely tied to the hood of their vehicle.

[Alaskapat528]

Some more that can't follow the law...what is with these people!

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[stiffnecked]

Originally Posted by RedJacket

Deer hunting is another example of great white hunters.

You get a group of, say, eight or ten "hunters" who pretty much surround a small wooded area in an open field where some deer have gone off to hide from other great white hunters.

All "hunters" are equipped with walkie-talkies so they can 10-4 each other while hunting this small patch of woods. At one end you have some of these brave souls walking and shouting to get the deer moving. On the sides and other end of this patch of woods you have other hero's waiting for the deer to literally trip over them, and then -- BAM! BAM! BAM! -- a dead deer or two.

After that, all the great white hunters gather at a local watering hole and talk (for hours and hours) about their heroic hunt while the gutted out deer remains securely tied to the hood of their vehicle.

I detect a hint of jealously in your post. Is that because you've never been invited to particpate in this ritual?

[LittleJazzyP]

Originally Posted by stiffnecked

I detect a hint of jealously in your post. Is that because you've never been invited to particpate in this ritual?

I detect a hint of inside knowledge about said ritual. Sounds to me like one invitation was enough.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by LittleJazzyP

I detect a hint of inside knowledge about said ritual. Sounds to me like one invitation was enough.

In Finland, if I well remember, moose are driven in similar fashion as done with deer in the lower-48. That's why to hunt over there one has to go through a training session where one has to hit moving targets on the right spot.