07-09-2009, 09:46 PM
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But maybe that was the point. I thought the point was to attempt to survive under those circumstances. If you had all that you mentioned above then wouldn't that be just normal camping? Look, I would never do what he did and I know a bunch of people have tried before and after him. Pretty sure some people can do it and some people can't. You make it or you don't. He was an educated guy so I really don't believe he was stupid. Sorry, I just can't see the judgement when you didn't know him personally or anybody that does someone similar. Equivalent to jumping out of a plane with no parachute? I don't see it. He wanted to try to survive in the wild(or whatever you want to call it) and didn't succeed. That was his choice but I don't see him as an idiot. Just my opinion.
I don't see him as an idiot either, but neither do I see him as some kind of icon. I think I've said in this thread before that he was someone's brokenhearted and probably suicidal child...all the bashing concerning him rather leaves me cold.
What concerns us in Alaska is those that idolize and romanticize him. We don't need a bunch of idjits running around up here croaking all over the place.
07-09-2009, 10:11 PM
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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None of us were here so I won't phrase it "remember when"...but back in the day a person had to be packin what...a thousand pounds of food and gear to even be allowed to hit the Chilkoot Trail? There was a reason for that. Specifically so one didn't end up like the kid in the bus.
07-09-2009, 10:42 PM
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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Okay...short of looking this up...not gonna happen, what time of year did he come or arrive...?
07-10-2009, 02:14 PM
Location: Interior alaska
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Okay...short of looking this up...not gonna happen, what time of year did he come or arrive...?
It was early spring after the intense cold was more of a freezing spring cold of zero at night. Once he decided to leave, the river was running high and swift with snowmelt water.
He died a few weeks before hunting season started, some of the hunters found him when they were getting ready to camp there for hunting.
When I flew over a couple of times when he was still alive, he was hiding and made no attempts to put out any sign of needing help. He could have lit the tires on the bus and attracted planes with the black smoke plume.
07-10-2009, 04:39 PM
Location: Alaska
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None of us were here so I won't phrase it "remember when"...but back in the day a person had to be packin what...a thousand pounds of food and gear to even be allowed to hit the Chilkoot Trail? There was a reason for that. Specifically so one didn't end up like the kid in the bus.
I think it was more like a ton of supplies and they carried it mostly on their backs. But what you said gives a clear picture.
07-12-2009, 02:42 AM
Location: Interior alaska
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Still trying to fly up and take some photos of the bus before I head North, but the forest fires have so much smoke covering the area, you don't have much visibility at all. May have to wait til fall...
07-12-2009, 11:00 AM
Location: Nome
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Okay...short of looking this up...not gonna happen, what time of year did he come or arrive...?
April 28,1992.
And the guy who dropped him off at the start of the trail even offered to take him to Anchorage and buy him gear to help him out.
He was a real smart kid academically but no real outdoor experience. And really didn't take peoples advice on things.
Met said it he was a troubled child and stubborn. And thats what got him killed in the end.
07-12-2009, 01:41 PM
Location: Interior alaska
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April 28,1992.
More than likely Met hit the nail on the head. The guy was a spoiled brat to boot, and wanted no advice from anyone because he already knew it all.
It amazes me that people read one book, see a movie or talked to someone in a bar and figure they have all the knowledge they need to get the job done... Seems that they needed to bone up on a few missing chapters!
I get a kck out of taking a "newby" up flying and they get amazed that there is a lot of "nothing" for hundreds of miles...just wilderness. Or there will be a long abandoned mine being grown over with nobody around, just buildings falling down.
07-12-2009, 07:21 PM
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For those unseasoned Alaskans or visitors,I would like to say this. We rode out that way as far as we could 2 weekends ago and walked just a little. That is a rough area out there,we didn't cross any of the creeks,streams but I could say that unless you KNOW exactly what your doing you are a FOOL for even trying to hike out that way. I thought ah it would be cool to see "The bus" but after a short walk I decided that the only picture of that bus I wanted to see was from the movie. Don't go out there with the idea it is a easy venture. You need proper gear,shoes,water,etc. And that is if you are only planning on a short trip. There were people out there that were going to "hike" in wearing sandals,they were CRAZY.
07-13-2009, 01:45 AM
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Obviously, these idiots never read this column.
Always Wear Sunscreen....
And the waste of the state's and fed's money to arrange a flight to check them out will have to be added up and billed to them for being idiots...
Ahh, the brains at work on this one amount to maybe 2 neurons apiece to add up to 2 morons. Larry, Moe and Curly demonstrate more at work upstairs on a good day.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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