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Old 12-30-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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I wonder how he got on the plane as I heard he had no passport!
If this is so, then possibly PC bullcrap run amuck.....
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Old 12-30-2009, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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If this is so, then possibly PC bullcrap run amuck.....
Story is not confirmed by any news media I could find......

A real kick in the groin for all those hard working people who try to keep us safe daily. I used to work with special forces medics. They taught me a good deal about the love of this country and the goal to rid the civilized world of these vermin.

Hopefully the policies and coordination world wide to catch them will be smarter soon, because these hydra heads will exploit the weakness.

"aim small miss small"
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Old 12-30-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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It seems it is conflicting, but here is one...that says the Dutch are now saying he did, though someone claimed to have seen someone trying to help him get on the plane

Abdulmutallab Had Passport, Dutch Say - CBS News

Another version, but not sure how accurate...

Dutch counter-terrorism agency: Flight 253 suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had valid Nigerian passport, U.S. visa | Detroit News - - MLive.com
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Old 12-30-2009, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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Thanks for the links. It sounds like this guy had his road groomed............more will be revealed I think.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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It seems it is conflicting, but here is one...that says the Dutch are now saying he did, though someone claimed to have seen someone trying to help him get on the plane

Abdulmutallab Had Passport, Dutch Say - CBS News

Another version, but not sure how accurate...

Dutch counter-terrorism agency: Flight 253 suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had valid Nigerian passport, U.S. visa | Detroit News - - MLive.com


The UK would not allow him to board even though he had a Visa; amazing how this entire thing unfolded. Will any of us ever learn the real truth? I doubt it, this inhuman garbage now has a public defender so valuable information that could have possibly been gained from him is lost and we must remember it's a "criminal" act...yeah right....it was an act of terrorism.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, California
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The UK would not allow him to board even though he had a Visa; amazing how this entire thing unfolded. Will any of us ever learn the real truth? I doubt it, this inhuman garbage now has a public defender so valuable information that could have possibly been gained from him is lost and we must remember it's a "criminal" act...yeah right....it was an act of terrorism.
The "inhuman garbage" Shoebomber Reid also had a public defender (given to him by fratboy W) and he now languishes in an American prison for the rest of his life.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:42 PM
 
Location: WY
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The "inhuman garbage" Shoebomber Reid also had a public defender (given to him by fratboy W) and he now languishes in an American prison for the rest of his life.
Reid: 'I am at war with your country'

Friday, January 31, 2003 Posted: 11:10 AM EST (1610 GMT)

(CNN) – The following is a partial transcript of Thursday's court hearing in which Richard Reid was sentenced to life in prison for his confessed plan to try and blow up a jetliner with explosives he had hidden in his shoes. The exchange is between Reid and Judge William Young.
RICHARD REID: I start by praising Allah because life today is no good. I bear witness to this and he alone is right to be worshiped. And I bear witness that Muhammad Sa'laat Alayhi as-Salaam is his last prophet and messenger who is sent to all of mankind for guidance, with the sound guidance for everyone.
Concerning what the Court said? I admit, I admit my actions and I further, I further state that I done them.
JUDGE WILLIAM YOUNG: I didn't hear the last. I admit my actions and then what did you say?
REID: I further admit my allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah. With regards to what you said about killing innocent people, I will say one thing. Your government has killed 2 million children in Iraq. If you want to think about something, against 2 million, I don't see no comparison.
Your government has sponsored the rape and torture of Muslims in the prisons of Egypt and Turkey and Syria and Jordan with their money and with their weapons. I don't know, see what I done as being equal to rape and to torture, or to the deaths of the two million children in Iraq.
So, for this reason, I think I ought not apologize for my actions. I am at war with your country. I'm at war with them not for personal reasons but because they have murdered more than, so many children and they have oppressed my religion and they have oppressed people for no reason except that they say we believe in Allah.
This is the only reason that America sponsors Egypt. It's the only reason they sponsor Turkey. It's the only reason they back Israel.
As far as the sentence is concerned, it's in your hand. Only really it is not even in your hand. It's in Allah's hand. I put my trust in Allah totally and I know that he will give victory to his religion. And he will give victory to those who believe and he will destroy those who wish to oppress the people because they believe in Allah.
So you can judge and I leave you to judge. And I don't mind. This is all I have to say. And I bear witness to Muhammad this is Allah's message.
YOUNG: Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.
... we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties.
-- Judge William Young

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive one with the other. That's 80 years.
On Count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you on each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.
The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.
The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.
The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need not go any further.
This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and a just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to you.
We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.
Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist.
And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists.
We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.
So war talk is way out of line in this court. You're a big fellow. But you're not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.
In a very real sense Trooper Santiago had it right when first you were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and you said you're no big deal. You're no big deal.
What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing.
And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire record it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose.
Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely.
It is for freedom's seek that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their, their representation of you before other judges. We care about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties.
Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.
Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be forgotten. But this, however, will long endure. Here, in this courtroom, and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done.
The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged, and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag still stands for freedom. You know it always will. Custody, Mr. Officer. Stand him down.
REID: That flag will be brought down on the Day of Judgment and you will see in front of your Lord and my Lord and then we will know. (Whereupon the defendant was removed from the courtroom.)
YOUNG: We'll recess. All rise.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, California
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Thank you, Juneaubound, for proving my point that the American justice system is more than adequate in dealing with the pantybomber. Case closed. Next.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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The "inhuman garbage" Shoebomber Reid also had a public defender (given to him by fratboy W) and he now languishes in an American prison for the rest of his life.
Yes, the other piece of garbage, Reid, was given a public defender by the smiling chimp and now the 3 other pieces of garbage going to be tried in NYC since this is what this so-called administration we have now wants.
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, California
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Yes, the other piece of garbage, Reid, was given a public defender by the smiling chimp and now the 3 other pieces of garbage going to be tried in NYC since this is what this so-called administration we have now wants.
Count me in as someone who is pleased that the so-called administration actually respects the so-called Constitution of the so-called United States.
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