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Old 03-31-2016, 06:12 PM
 
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So called "inherited diseases" are mostly learned lifestyles and bad eating habits passed down from generation to generation. Inheriting a gene doesn't mean a person can't avoid whatever the "disease" is that runs in the family if he changes his diet and lifestyle.
Please tell me how you can avoid developing symptoms of sickle cell anemia by changing diet and exercise? How about amyotrophic lateral sclerosis? Hemophilia? Muscular dystrophy?

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What Ashton had was called a "cleansing crisis". He should have known before he started eating a raw plant based diet that many people experience that. You don't eat cooked dead processed foods that your body isn't designed to digest in the first place and expect a smooth transition all of a sudden changing to all fruit. The FRUIT was not the problem. His former decades long lifestyle was. His body was just trying to rid itself from years of acid wastes.

Too many people BLAME THE FRUIT. It isn't the fruit's fault.

Sure you can find a lot of articles that say "Milk does a body good". Those sources come from the Dairy growers assns. and or Big Food Big Agra. You've ALWAYS got to follow the money.


Back in the 1980s even the American Cancer Society used to advise eating fruit and vegetables to prevent and heal from cancer. Now they've figured out that if there are fewer cancer incidents, there is less reason for the American Cancer Society to exist so they now say you can eat what you want.


You ALWAYS have to follow the money. But more than that, when you start a new diet, you should always do some research about it.


Most people that eat fruit for cleansing WELCOME healing crises because it means their lymphatic system a/k/a immune system is moving out acid wastes and toxins they've had in their bodies as a RESULT of eating meat, dairy, processed grains and sugar for too long.
So if eating an all fruit diet makes you sick, it's your own fault for not doing it right? I see. The fact that it's nutritionally deficient has nothing to do with it.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2...althy-for-you/

Note that a fruitarian diet is high in sugar and eating too much fruit can promote weight gain and is not a good idea if you have diabetes.

What does the American Cancer Society really say about diet? It would have been easy for you to look it up before you posted what you did.

http://www.cancer.org/acs/groups/cid...002577-pdf.pdf

"• Choose foods and drinks in amounts that help you get to and maintain a healthy weight.
• Limit how much processed meat and red meat you eat.
• Eat at least 2½ cups of vegetables and fruits each day.
• Choose whole grains instead of refined grain products."

"Does cooking affect the nutritional value of vegetables?

Boiling vegetables, especially for long periods, can remove their water-soluble vitamins. Some potentially beneficial phytochemicals are fat soluble, so sautéing in oil may increase the availability of these compounds. Cooking in general may break down plant cell walls and make nutrients and other phytochemicals more readily absorbed.

Microwaving and steaming are the best ways to preserve the nutritional content of vegetables. Eating raw vegetables, such as in salads, also preserves nutritional content. Along with the general recommendation to eat a wide variety of vegetables, using different cooking methods may also enhance the availability of many nutrients and phytochemicals."

The article, last revised 2/5/2016, also includes specific information on diet for certain cancers, vegan and vegetarian diets, and exercise. It's a fairly comprehensive overview.

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As far as saying our digestive tracts are appreciably different than primates is silly. They are very close but humans eat like a dog or a hog who have vastly different teeth and digestive tracts and only humans that eat this way are riddled with chronic and degenerative diseases. It is a waste of time to try to argue otherwise.
It's a fact that the human gastrointestinal tract is different from other primates. It is something that can be objectively demonstrated. Saying otherwise is silly.

A plant based diet is a healthy diet. A fruitarian one potentially is not. It's not necessary to totally give up meat, dairy, and eggs or forgo cooking vegetables in order to be healthy.

And the "acid" thing is totally bogus.

 
Old 03-31-2016, 08:13 PM
 
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So called "inherited diseases" are mostly learned lifestyles and bad eating habits passed down from generation to generation. Inheriting a gene doesn't mean a person can't avoid whatever the "disease" is that runs in the family if he changes his diet and lifestyle.
Yeah....no....

"Inherited diseases" have absolutely NOTHING to do with "lifestyles and eating habits" hence the "inherited" part...

Here is a partial list of genetic diseases compiled by the Human Genome project...not a condition listed can be "undone" by lifestyle changes...

https://www.genome.gov/10001204

In addition there are clearly genetic dispositions to heart disease, certain cancers, auto immune disorders etc...

While healthy lifestyles can ameliorate SOME of the risk its nearly impossible to completely alter the odds....you can't pick your parents and unfortunately MANY, MANY folks will succumb to heart disease, stroke, cancers etc despite "doing all the right things".....because of poor genetics.....
 
Old 04-01-2016, 11:34 AM
 
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Most of us know we are free to eat how and what we want. As more information becomes available on what's good for us and what isn't, we can adjust accordingly depending on how important it is to us.
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Old 04-06-2016, 02:38 PM
 
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If people would learn to make simple observations ; think for themselves and then draw OBVIOUS conclusions, at the very LEAST they'd have to admit that we aren't eating what our digestive tracts are designed for - no matter WHAT the so called "experts" say. Our digestive tracts are practically identical to primates'.

Primates are frugivores, meaning their digestive systems are designed to break down and utilize FRUIT mostly and some vegetables, nuts and seeds.We also, like they do, have hands to pick fruit off of trees.So the logical conclusion would be that we should be eating FRUIT and a plant based raw diet primarily.

Yet most of us, including some of the most educated, can't seem to think for ourselves. Instead we believe the the programming a/k/a brainwashing of the mainstream media and the government who is in bed with all the BIG corporations who all are counting on us continuing to ruin our health by believing their propaganda and idiotic mantras about foods that are actually slowly killing us, like meat and dairy and eggs and "protein", are "good" for us. So they can continue to rake in profits from selling those unhealthful foods to us and keep raking in the profits. It doesn't stop with continuing to buy the foods though. Since our digestive tracts aren't designed to properly break them down, we need digestive aids to digest these foods we shouldn't be eating. Then BIG Pharma takes its turn raking in more profits. Later as the acids from the undigested foods and the residues from all the drugs, clog our immune systems and manifest into a more serious "disease". Big Medica steps in to take MORE of our money. Through all of this we STILL haven't put 2 + 2 together and run back to these same "experts" for more "treatments" over and over who not only take a lot of our money but their treatments just make us more sick.

When are some of us going to WAKE UP? Too many of us humans are a sad bunch. We are SO trusting and SO gullible. We couldn't do real research to explore really natural alternatives (as in grown in Nature) to save our lives. Some of us are destined to continue to taken advantage of by BIG Government and BIG Business.
 
Old 04-06-2016, 03:54 PM
 
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We may have hands for picking fruit but we also have teeth for chewing meat.

No two people are alike and so I think it all depends upon the person as to what they should be eating. I prefer a vegetarian diet because I like the foods but I don't get enough protein because I would need to eat more fish. I don't care that much for fish!

Eggs are nuggets of nutrition, especially the yolk. It was a lie when they were telling us not to eat eggs.

But does anyone really truly know the ideal diet? I don't think so. The closest I ever came to seeing an attempt was the blood type diet. Type O blood people were supposed to eat meat and certain other foods--I remember that much because I'm type O. Maybe some day there will be a true way of knowing exactly what we're supposed to be eating. I heard again the other day that the Mediterranean diet is the best. Evidence keeps pointing that way.
 
Old 04-06-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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If people would learn to make simple observations ; think for themselves and then draw OBVIOUS conclusions, at the very LEAST they'd have to admit that we aren't eating what our digestive tracts are designed for - no matter WHAT the so called "experts" say. Our digestive tracts are practically identical to primates'.

Primates are frugivores, meaning their digestive systems are designed to break down and utilize FRUIT mostly and some vegetables, nuts and seeds.We also, like they do, have hands to pick fruit off of trees.So the logical conclusion would be that we should be eating FRUIT and a plant based raw diet primarily.

Yet most of us, including some of the most educated, can't seem to think for ourselves. Instead we believe the the programming a/k/a brainwashing of the mainstream media and the government who is in bed with all the BIG corporations who all are counting on us continuing to ruin our health by believing their propaganda and idiotic mantras about foods that are actually slowly killing us, like meat and dairy and eggs and "protein", are "good" for us. So they can continue to rake in profits from selling those unhealthful foods to us and keep raking in the profits. It doesn't stop with continuing to buy the foods though. Since our digestive tracts aren't designed to properly break them down, we need digestive aids to digest these foods we shouldn't be eating. Then BIG Pharma takes its turn raking in more profits. Later as the acids from the undigested foods and the residues from all the drugs, clog our immune systems and manifest into a more serious "disease". Big Medica steps in to take MORE of our money. Through all of this we STILL haven't put 2 + 2 together and run back to these same "experts" for more "treatments" over and over who not only take a lot of our money but their treatments just make us more sick.

When are some of us going to WAKE UP? Too many of us humans are a sad bunch. We are SO trusting and SO gullible. We couldn't do real research to explore really natural alternatives (as in grown in Nature) to save our lives. Some of us are destined to continue to taken advantage of by BIG Government and BIG Business.
If people understand basic biology then they wouldn't make nonsensical conclusions based on a lack of information...

First of all saying our "digestive tracts are practically identical to primates" makes no sense..

Regarding taxonomy, Primates are an Order of the Class Mammalia.....Humans belong to the Order of primates...saying human digestive tracts are practically identical to "primates" makes no sense...We ARE primates

The Order of Primates includes many Families, Genuses and Species....not all Primates are alike

Not ALL primates are frugivores...

Humans are omnivores all evolutionary biologic evidence points to this as irrefutable fact...

Stating that we have opposable thumbs primarily to pick fruits makes no sense....one could also argue we have opposable thumbs to make and hold weapons to hunt for food...

The sole evolutionary advantage to "hands" is not to pick fruit...

Too many humans will believe any nonsense they read on alternative sites because they don't have the science background to understand most of the conclusions reached are based on nonsense....
 
Old 04-06-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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Our digestive tracks are similar to primates, but we have much more amalayse (?) to digest grains.

We are different, and I think we are different from each other. Eat whole foods, whether fruit, veggies, or protein. Stay away from processed foods, chain restaurants, etc.

Do not eat foods that are empty calories.

Adjust from there.
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Old 04-06-2016, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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If people would learn to make simple observations ; think for themselves and then draw OBVIOUS conclusions, at the very LEAST they'd have to admit that we aren't eating what our digestive tracts are designed for - no matter WHAT the so called "experts" say. Our digestive tracts are practically identical to primates'.
As was pointed out to you, humans are primates.

Our digestive systems do differ significantly from other primates. I take it you did not read this link I posted up thread:

The Critical Role Played by Animal Source Foods in Human (Homo) Evolution

"However, humans stand apart from all apes in some features of the gut proportions. In humans, more than half (56%) of the total gut volume is found in the small intestine whereas all apes have by far the greatest total gut volume (>45%) in the colon. In addition, the overall size of the human gut in relation to body size is small in comparison to that of apes."

"Hindgut dominance in apes suggests adaptation to a diet lower in quality than that consumed by humans, a diet containing considerable bulky plant material, such as insoluble fiber and seeds. In contrast, the proportions of the human gut, dominated as it is by the small intestine, the principal site of nutrient digestion and absorption, suggests adaptation to a high quality diet, one that is nutritionally dense and highly digestible relative to that of any wild ape."

In terms of gut anatomy and digestive kinetics, meat and other ASF [animal source foods], at least up to some maximum percentage of diet, pose no digestive problems for a hominoid. In captivity, for example, boned meat (raw beef and cooked chicken) was so well digested by common chimpanzees that it typically produced no visible residue in feces. Data suggest that most monkeys and all great apes can digest ASF, and that many primates appear to relish them. But ASF are not eaten in quantity by most wild primates, largely because such foods are rare, generally small in size and difficult to procure, particularly in the tropical forest canopy. This is not to say that ASF are not important, indeed essential, dietary components, for many primate species. But because only small amounts typically can be secured each day, anthropoids typically fill up on higher quality plant foods and supplement this plant-based diet with as much ASF as can be secured without undue cost or effort."

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Primates are frugivores, meaning their digestive systems are designed to break down and utilize FRUIT mostly and some vegetables, nuts and seeds.We also, like they do, have hands to pick fruit off of trees. So the logical conclusion would be that we should be eating FRUIT and a plant based raw diet primarily.
Some non-human primates use their hands to capture meat for food, too.

BBC - Earth - Chimpanzees over-hunt monkey prey almost to extinction

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Yet most of us, including some of the most educated, can't seem to think for ourselves. Instead we believe the the programming a/k/a brainwashing of the mainstream media and the government who is in bed with all the BIG corporations who all are counting on us continuing to ruin our health by believing their propaganda and idiotic mantras about foods that are actually slowly killing us, like meat and dairy and eggs and "protein", are "good" for us. So they can continue to rake in profits from selling those unhealthful foods to us and keep raking in the profits. It doesn't stop with continuing to buy the foods though. Since our digestive tracts aren't designed to properly break them down, we need digestive aids to digest these foods we shouldn't be eating. Then BIG Pharma takes its turn raking in more profits. Later as the acids from the undigested foods and the residues from all the drugs, clog our immune systems and manifest into a more serious "disease". Big Medica steps in to take MORE of our money. Through all of this we STILL haven't put 2 + 2 together and run back to these same "experts" for more "treatments" over and over who not only take a lot of our money but their treatments just make us more sick.

When are some of us going to WAKE UP? Too many of us humans are a sad bunch. We are SO trusting and SO gullible. We couldn't do real research to explore really natural alternatives (as in grown in Nature) to save our lives. Some of us are destined to continue to taken advantage of by BIG Government and BIG Business.
What "digestive aids" are needed to eat meat?

Undigested food becomes poop.

The human body regulates its acid/base balance within a narrow range no matter what food you eat.

If you want to live long, consider what Okinawans eat:

The Okinawa diet

Ikaria, Greece:

The island of long life | Travel | The Guardian

Costa Rica:

Nicoya, Costa Rica: A Paradise Of Good Health And Long Lives

In the US, the Seventh Day Adventist diet:

http://www.nutrition411.com/articles...ventist-diet-0

The Mediterranean diet:

Mediterranean Diet

A diet consisting of nothing but fruit is nutritionally deficient and unwise.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:06 AM
 
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Stopped at animals don't get sick because they are self regulating. Simply not true.
That's for sure. As anyone with a pet who takes care of their needs about their vet bills.

Unless they mean animals in the wild, survival of the fittest. An animal who gets sick is either left behind, or depending on the species, eaten or otherwise destroyed.
 
Old 04-07-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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Yah, I'll pass on getting my throat torn out because I have the flu.

It's such an odd thing to say, and wish it were true then my dogs wouldn't need vaccinations and heartworm meds. Ain't cheap.
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