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Old 09-02-2016, 04:25 PM
 
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I will have to check out this documentary, thanks.
There's also the excellent book, "Bitter Fruit", based in part on US gov't documents obtained through the Freedom Of Information Act, that details how and why the coup was orchestrated, and the business and political interests behind it.
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Old 09-02-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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There's also the excellent book, "Bitter Fruit", based in part on US gov't documents obtained through the Freedom Of Information Act, that details how and why the coup was orchestrated, and the business and political interests behind it.
I actually own this book, thank you. I just wanted to get the perspective of an actual Guatemalan.
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Old 09-08-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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Peronismo in Argentina, is a form of national socialism, albeit not as virulent as German national socialism.
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Old 09-09-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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There is a strange popular stereotype in the US where people think that ALL Germans who went to South America were Nazis. They always say this to my husband and he does get a little offended and has to defend his family. It is quite silly.


I had this German-Argentinian university mate that studied with me in the US, he was flunked by a Jewish teacher because he made a term paper about Goebbels' innovative idea in television and marketing.

He went to see the director of the university and got an "A". Maybe both were naz..who knows.

Most people coming from German stock in Latin America arrived before WWII.
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Old 09-13-2016, 11:44 AM
 
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LOL no, where are you getting your information from man? Fox News ? Those dumb kids in the article are not descendants from Hitler's regime lmao they are just edgy idiots who began insulting another group of students, there was not even proof of physical assault from what I've read in Argentine news sites, it was pretty much a minor incident that news outlets blew out of proportion. It could've been easily handled by suspending/expelling the dumb kids.

Also even in the most "German" towns of Latin America, Spanish and Portuguese are the main spoken languages. Some families will speak German at home, but a good amount of them are already too assimilated and don't even speak German. Never mind a city like Bariloche, everybody speaks Spanish there. German-Latin Americans are just like normal Latin Americans, they couldn't care less about being "torch carriers" for the Nazis . Jesus bud, leave your house and travel a bit will you.
Bro I am not going to lie that that I am not aware of everything going on in Argentina, but I do know they were a haven for ex-Nazis. And as far as me getting out dude I am in another continent dude how in the world is me stepping outside in my neck of the woods going to educate me about Argentina.

Like I said I can't speak on this with authority but they're have been numerous books and reports about white extremists groups in South America directly descended from Nazis. As a matter of fact Klaus Barbie who was an SS in the Nazi regime, trained some paramilitary wing narco terrorists.

And duh, I never said German was the main language spoken there, I of course know Spanish is the first language.
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Old 09-13-2016, 04:21 PM
 
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The sister of the German philosopher Nietzsche started a German colony in Paraguay. They wanted to cultivate a pure Aryan society because Germany was not pure enough for them. The funny thing is that now they are all now of mixed blood. It would have been interesting to see one of these Aryan purist guys fall in love with a brown-skinned Guarani girl. Love is blind even for the Aryans, hahaha.
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Old 09-13-2016, 06:31 PM
 
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Etek, I was on a visit to Iguazú Falls in 1981 during the era of the Alfredo Stroessner dictatorship in Paraguay. I crossed from Brazil into Paraguay over the bridge from Foz do Iguacu to the border town that at the time was called Puerto Presidente Stroessner (now Ciudad del Este). From there I took a bus to Asunción.

It was Spring (October), a generally pleasant time of year to be in Asunción before the summer sizzling heat. Paraguay in the early 1980s felt like a time warp back about 30 or 40 years. After walking around town for a few hours, I passed by a pub downtown called Alt München. What better place to have a cold beer than a German looking beer pub? I strolled in and ordered a cold one in Spanish. The waitress asked me in perfect German if I wanted a draft on tap or something in a bottle. With blue eyes and light brown hair, she assumed I was German. No problem, I had lived in Germany for 4 years while serving in the Army in the 1970s, and speak German well at a conversation level.

While sipping on my mug of cold draft beer, I looked around Alt München and noticed that I didn't hear anyone there speaking Spanish or Guaraní. I noticed lots of old photos on the wall, including some guys in German military uniforms in the WW2 era. There was a map on the wall of Germany with its boundaries in the 1939 era that included East Prussia and Silesia. It took me a few minutes to associate the pub name Alt München (Old Munich) with some kind of open hangout for WW2 refugees in downtown Asunción, but then I thought, how could they be so obvious and out in the open? Then again, with Alfredo Stroessner running Paraguay at the time, maybe he had made some arrangements for some of them?

The lovely waitress at Alt München bid me a fond Danke Schön und Auf Wiedersehen when I finished my beer and headed out the door. The air of mystery at the Alt München pub in Asunción has reminded me of an old spy novel for decades.
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Old 09-13-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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As a teacher, I was blessed for years with 3 months of vacation so I got to travel a lot, albeit frugally, always with my own money. I was going to visit the German villages in Paraguay but due to time constraints I didn't get to do that. There is an Ukrainian village too, I believe, near Encarnacion. In the early 2000's the place did not look that unusual, except the police had uniforms that reminded one of the Sturm Abteilung (S.A.) uniforms of Germany. The Korean taxi driver was saying that the economy was better under Stroessner. There were quite a few blondes in Encarnacion, so I knew all the Germans did not assimilate, but the report I saw about Nietzsche's sister's German colony showed that many of them did marry Guaranis.
After so many years in the country that would be difficult to maintain your ethnicity and besides why would you want to be a racial supremacist in a country where you are a minority?
Still, few tourists made it to Paraguay even 15 years ago. That was part of the intrigue, to go somewhere where there are few tourists. Some people seemed to be suspicious of strangers. I guess if you wanted to keep a low profile in South America, Paraguay would be the place. I just liked the place, it was rather charming in its own way. It is kind of boring if you are after big city excitement but it is kind of neat to be somewhere that's not a major tourist destination.

As far as infamous fugitives, Joseph Mengele lived there purportedly under the unimaginative name of Jose Mengele and got a Paraguayan passport under that name too and traveled with it until Stroessner forbade him to travel.

These simple places are nice because there are many genuine people who are not out to hustle tourists.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/wo...guay.html?_r=0

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Old 09-15-2016, 09:41 AM
 
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I went to Iguazu falls two years ago and I met a group of 4 Germans guys in the hotel and how they only speak German and English they started go party and trips with me.

So in Cataratas park a group of 6 Paraguayans Germans girls ‘’pure’’ racially, listen they speak German came speak with us and we become all friends too, we started hang out all together and each guy get one for ‘’girlfriend’’.
The ladies spoke perfect German, without accent the Germans told me (with me they spoke in Spanish) and drunk the girls spoke histories about their nazi grandfathers! If is true or not their histories I don’t know.

Here in Brazil in we know that lot of Nazis hid in cities of majority Germans descents in the South of country and they were constantly moving among Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina hiding for difficult getting arrested.
Josef Mengele died drowned in the sea of Bertioga a beach city in the coast of São Paulo State.
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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The Israelis were probably trying to track him down but he kept ahead of them, unlike Eichmann. Mengele could have had a heart attack while swimming.

Prodigious forces of nature displayed all at once, that feeling is hard to describe, some people call it 'sublime'. I felt that at Iguacu falls. All around me, no matter which way I turned, I saw a water fall.
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