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Which one currently has more rapid transit under construction (not just planned)? Let's say you have all the rapid transit currently open and under construction built, when would that be and how do the two compare?
Earlier this month, DDT (Double-double track) Jatinegara Manggarai Commuter line (9.5km) was opened to public.
Underconstruction
MRT Jakarta phase II (8.6km) fully underground
LRT Jabodebek (44km) fully elevated
DDT Manggarai-Cikarang Commuetr line (35km) at grade & elevated
Jakarta-Bandung HSR (142.3km) underground, at grade, & elevated
MRT Jakarta will be built simultaneously, MRT Jakarta phase III (31km) will start construction next year. Govt targets by 2025 Jakarta will have at least 56km MRT (Phase I, II, III). These are part of MRT Jakarta grand design of 231 km blueprint. Jokowi said it would be finished in a decade, but I doubt it.
LRT Jakarta phase II (7.5km) is in Feasibility study stage.
but overall Jakarta is still better more than Manila, I need to explain one by one. ranking your post will not change Jakarta in bottom from Manila
you're not making sense. When you combine all the different factors that go into quality of life, Manila is objectively better than Jakarta, on both major quality of life indexes. And you said Ho Chi Minh City was better than Manila? Where?
Honey, only bunch of you here claims Jakarta has more skyscrapers than Manila. Everyone knows including and especially all SSCians, Indonesians and Filipino alike know Manila has more skyscrapers and has better skyline than Jakarta. Seriously, I don't know any site except here that Indonesians keeps claiming that. Like wth, the whole skyscraperworld knows that fact.
Manila trumps Jakarta not only in numbers but also organization and variety.
Nope, I'm also SSC member. Jakarta-MM are still on par, debatable which one is better, go down to subjective opinion and taste. One stands out because of quality and height of the buildings, the other for its density and centralized CBDs.
In SSC, skyscraper is known as habitable building more than 200 m in height. And Jakarta currently has the MOST number of skyscrapers in Southeast Asia. SSC members don't care about 100s meter building that much, so I can not tell exactly which city has more of these.
❤ one of my favorite places is perfect for a hangout and one of the favorite places for residents of Jakarta especially weekends is almost full of visitors. in Manila only shows walkable and of course Jakarta has advantages such as food, culture, skyscrapercity, transportation etc.
West and south Jakarta has almost the same attraction people to come
yeah .. West Jakarta is usually in neo soho/central park / taman anggrek is crowded and never deserted visitor, in the South Jakarta it is usually crowded in the Blok M plaza area .btw in area Sudirman - Thamrin is more alive now because there is already MRT station and it is no wonder morning and night we to see many people especially in Bundaran HI area
Last year, 80 km pedestrian way has been revitalized. This year, another 80 km. Currently Jakarta has around 540 km long pedestrian way all over the city.
I have to admit that some is not in good condition, esp in crowded commercial areas far from main roads.
Not comparable. Ermita was built in the 16th century. It's one of the oldest parts of Manila. Mostly destroyed during WW2 and most of it wasn't rebuilt because business moved to other parts of the city. So you're comparing an old, forgotten neighborhood to a newer area in South Jakarta. Blok M was built in the 1980s and 90s.
The area in your video reminds me more of Cubao (built around the same time as Blok M). Except Cubao seems to have a lot more street-level activity
Which one is fake? That Manila is at rank 93? And Jakarta is there at 16? Or the numbers? FYI, Manila is mere city of over 1 million people. We are talking here about Metro Manila with pop of about 13million, the Philippines National Capital Region versus Jakarta the metro with 10million(11m?). Emporis doesn't group cities in Metro Manila into one as it recogizes them as separate cities even though they are agglomerated into one continuous metropolis similar to how Jakarta cities/districts are organized. I already gave you the overall completed 150m figures when I personally counted them.
The link you gave is showing and takes into consideration not only completed buildings but also underconstruction and planned ones that is the reason why Jakarta has 181 instead of just the 149 I counted. And since cities in Metro Manila are counted separately the ranking gives you the cities of Makati, Taguig, Mandaluyong and Manila at 48,86,90,93;respectively instead of putting them into one homogeneous figure.
48 Makati 91
86 Taguig 44
90 Mandaluyong 39
93 Manila 37
- Subtotal - 211
12 Metro Manila ( Grand Total )- 276
Using the figures on those 4 cities alone it is already more than 30 what you have there in Jakarta. That doesn't even include yet Pasig and Quezon City which has 31 and 34, respectively. Combining all 150m in Metro Manila with these 6 cities that totals to 276. That's 95 more than Jakarta has. That makes it 12th worldwide again using the link you gave.
This is one reason this site appears to be more reliable as they put cities in the world as one metropolitan agglomeration rather than counting metro cities/districts separately.
Nope, I'm also SSC member. Jakarta-MM are still on par, debatable which one is better, go down to subjective opinion and taste. One stands out because of quality and height of the buildings, the other for its density and centralized CBDs.
In SSC, skyscraper is known as habitable building more than 200 m in height. And Jakarta currently has the MOST number of skyscrapers in Southeast Asia. SSC members don't care about 100s meter building that much, so I can not tell exactly which city has more of these.
Many SSCians still defines skyscraper as building 150m above that's the consensus(maybe not on SSC) but on most sites(CTBUH,Emporis,etc) and even some still use 100m as benchmark. I understand Jakarta has more 200m above but nope it is not the concluded basis yet of it being called skyscraper currently, maybe in the decades to come as buildings go taller that can be the norm. Even so using the 200m benchmark, the difference isn't that much either.
Most cities skyline would be on par except the behemoths if we judge them SUBJECTIVELY, that's why we are looking into them OBJECTIVELY. Manila isn't short when we speak of quality of buildings. Difference is in Jakarta they are mostly concentrated in an area or stretch of avenue while Manila spread all throughout its CBDs.
Which one is fake? That Manila is at rank 93? And Jakarta is there at 16? Or the numbers? FYI, Manila is mere city of over 1 million people. We are talking here about Metro Manila with pop of about 13million, the Philippines National Capital Region versus Jakarta the metro with 10million(11m?). Emporis doesn't group cities in Metro Manila into one as it recogizes them as separate cities even though they are agglomerated into one continuous metropolis similar to how Jakarta cities/districts are organized. I already gave you the overall completed 150m figures when I personally counted them.
The link you gave is showing and takes into consideration not only completed buildings but also underconstruction and planned ones that is the reason why Jakarta has 181 instead of just the 149 I counted. And since cities in Metro Manila are counted separately the ranking gives you the cities of Makati, Taguig, Mandaluyong and Manila at 48,86,90,93;respectively instead of putting them into one homogeneous figure.
48 Makati 91
86 Taguig 44
90 Mandaluyong 39
93 Manila 37
- Subtotal - 211
12 Metro Manila ( Grand Total )- 276
Using the figures on those 4 cities alone it is already more than 30 what you have there in Jakarta. That doesn't even include yet Pasig and Quezon City which has 31 and 34, respectively. Combining all 150m in Metro Manila with these 6 cities that totals to 276. That's 95 more than Jakarta has. That makes it 12th worldwide again using the link you gave.
This is one reason this site appears to be more reliable as they put cities in the world as one metropolitan agglomeration rather than counting metro cities/districts separately.
Many SSCians still defines skyscraper as building 150m above that's the consensus(maybe not on SSC) but on most sites(CTBUH,Emporis,etc) and even some still use 100m as benchmark. I understand Jakarta has more 200m above but nope it is not the concluded basis yet of it being called skyscraper currently, maybe in the decades to come as buildings go taller that can be the norm. Even so using the 200m benchmark, the difference isn't that much either.
Most cities skyline would be on par except the behemoths if we judge them SUBJECTIVELY, that's why we are looking into them OBJECTIVELY. Manila isn't short when we speak of quality of buildings. Difference is in Jakarta they are mostly concentrated in an area or stretch of avenue while Manila spread all throughout its CBDs.
So skyscrapercenter puts completed project, while emporis don't. And yet somehow its more updated and complete?
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