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I Can not tell all the things that Ben Franklin did..........he harnessed electricity , his experiments included flying a kite in a thunder and lightening storm...........if Franklin was an Drunk we should be so drunk.....we type and argue on a device that requires electricity..........he lived into his 80's.......i suspect he was more than most of use will ever be.........unless we can learn the whole story. Ladies and booze were not his downfall.........just part of his anti-Puritan behavior, but i don't think he spoke against virtue. I think he grew to embrace it.
Now we're getting somewhere. Except how can you agree or disagree with electricity? I guess if you are an Amish person.
Some people are known for wisdom which can bridge ages, and Ben Franklin is one of those men. Regardless if it was his stand on Separation of Church and state, his negative view on religion and the church, or his curiosity in matters of nature and science he seems to have had vision beyond that of his time.
I'd like to know why this is in the Atheist/Agnostic forum? Shouldn't a conversation about Ben Franklin go in the History forum?
I see your point, but think he was put here due to his agnostic views, and we could have few better to represent the agnostic and atheist values than Ben Franklin.
[NQUOTE=BornOKThe1stTime;6902346] Except how can you agree or disagree with electricity? [/quote]
Oh man, that's easy, them electrons are some seriously negative dudes, not as negative minded as the christers, but, still pretty dang negative. Have you ever heard a single one of them say anything good about any body or any thing? Nope?, Well, me neither! If I wanted that degree of negative vibes I would seek out a jehovahs' witness or, maybe a mormon, southern baptist would work about the same also.
ben franklins witty saying if that is what you are referring to re: wisdom are not alien to new england. prudence practical behavior and yankee ingenuity were very much in keeping with the people of new england of his time.
what made him a giant was his influence in france for 8 years --- now that was true wisdom and vision. to convince a king to help us revolt against another king is no small task.
I see your point, but think he was put here due to his agnostic views, and we could have few better to represent the agnostic and atheist values than Ben Franklin.
I would agree, if the OP had asked us to discuss why/how we thought Franklin became an agnostic (and actually truly wanted a cogent discussion on that topic).
But instead he rambles incoherently about things like this:
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I Can not tell all the things that Ben Franklin did..........he harnessed electricity , his experiments included flying a kite in a thunder and lightening storm...........if Franklin was an Drunk we should be so drunk.....we type and argue on a device that requires electricity..........he lived into his 80's.......i suspect he was more than most of use will ever be.........unless we can learn the whole story. Ladies and booze were not his downfall.........just part of his anti-Puritan behavior, but i don't think he spoke against virtue. I think he grew to embrace it
...while making no references to Franklin's beliefs or disbeliefs in a deity. Due to the OP's previously trollish track record on other threads, I think he's unskillfully fishing here in an attempt to yet again to annoy non-believers.
ben franklins witty saying if that is what you are referring to re: wisdom are not alien to new england. prudence practical behavior and yankee ingenuity were very much in keeping with the people of new england of his time.
what made him a giant was his influence in france for 8 years --- now that was true wisdom and vision. to convince a king to help us revolt against another king is no small task.
IF I COULD Quote Franklin's message to the 1st congress on the 1st day I would. I know about it. It is supposed to be public record.......? He may have been a believer or he may have been the wisest Agnostic who ever lived............I don't know.......I do know his story is not being told and it might be unknowable.
I would agree, if the OP had asked us to discuss why/how we thought Franklin became an agnostic (and actually truly wanted a cogent discussion on that topic).
But instead he rambles incoherently about things like this:
...while making no references to Franklin's beliefs or disbeliefs in a deity. Due to the OP's previously trollish track record on other threads, I think he's unskillfully fishing here in an attempt to yet again to annoy non-believers.
I have no evidence on a deity......I am agnostic in many ways.....so I annoy you ................should I follow your tactic . I guess the minority opinion........... rules.The first casuality of war is Truth.
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