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ben franklins witty saying if that is what you are referring to re: wisdom are not alien to new england. prudence practical behavior and yankee ingenuity were very much in keeping with the people of new england of his time.
what made him a giant was his influence in france for 8 years --- now that was true wisdom and vision. to convince a king to help us revolt against another king is no small task.
Thanks HUCK.........As to Franklin's belief I think they did not exist , in the classic way.......I feel he must have seen lightening and thought ,how can I use what is see. From my reading I seen people change, some left ,some to the right. And some are stuck........in the mud.......
I have no evidence on a deity......I am agnostic in many ways.....so I annoy you ................should I follow your tactic . I guess the minority opinion........... rules.The first casuality of war is Truth.
Well then, either you're lying about being an agnostic or you lied about being a believer in Christianity. Which one is it? Because here's what you said on another thread:
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Originally Posted by bluescityleon
Thank you............I believe in my heart Jesus is at my DOOR, And I Make sure I do not lock it........I wait in His presents. It is Faith reissued to me every day like my daily Gift.......I do not flog myself I just Sit still and Know..........I really use this Scripture......I found it to be the main street to FULFILLMENT AND THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT...for me this is the bridge to everything Good and Right.....Name me if you like ,I am a Believer, and because I follow Him
Those are not the words of an agnostic.
Now, if you want to discuss how Ben Franklin's agnosticism brought about many of his ideas, or how the fact that he was a thinker caused him to become an agnostic, then we'd have a topic.
Otherwise, I still think you're just trolling. At the very least, you're blatantly contradicting yourself, and I'm calling shenanigans.
**And as MargoKey pointed out below, Franklin wasn't even an agnostic, but more of a deist (?) which means this doesn't belong in this forum AT ALL.
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I think I'm confused by this thread. I'm not sure if it's going in the direction it's intended, but that's not going to stop me from contributing!
I'm a Ben Franklin fan, not an expert, but a fan. Franklin was raised in the Presbyterian church, but felt, at a young age, that organized religion was not his thing. He left and reserved his Sundays for "studying." Franklin did write that he believes in a "deity"; not necessarily God.
I think people believe that Franklin was puritanical, but he was not. He maintained two separate households -- remaining married to one woman, while living openly with another in France. Franklin was not "separated" from his wife, he simply maintained the two households. Many people in France thought his mistress was his wife, but he corrected them. He had children out of wedlock and saw nothing wrong with that, since many men during his time did the same thing.
Do I think that Ben would agree with me/us today? I think he would believe that our government has become way too involved with our personal lives. I think he would think that our morals are being dictated to us instead of us having the right to live our lives the best way we know how (which varies from person to person). I think he would stress that you do not get a cold from leaving your window open at night or going outside in cold weather with wet hair.
Franklin was, in my opinion, a phenomenal man. He was admired, and despised, by many. He went against the grain. He pushed the limits with his life and with his government.
actually this is not entirely true. He did, however, prove that lighting was, in fact, an electrical event, resultant upon his kite flying experiment w/bell jar. He was one of the most influential thinkers of the american revolution. He was also wise enough to stay out of politics as a player, he was an instrument of the colonial government, not an elected official.
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actually this is not entirely true. He did, however, prove that lighting was, in fact, an electrical event, resultant upon his kite flying experiment w/bell jar. He was one of the most influential thinkers of the american revolution. He was also wise enough to stay out of politics as a player, he was an instrument of the colonial government, not an elected official.
Franklin stated in his letters, philosophical discussions were to him irksome. He helped establish the USA........may be he should be called an agent......his ...Behavior in France was not Puritanical.........but perhaps not abrbtrary, as some supose. Maybe he was making friends and inflencing people.......I HAVE BEGUN TO READ HIS LETTERS.....as to his heartfelt beliefs......I am agnostic on the subject....like some one who does believe in a God but not a deity.........a scientist believes what he can prove and repeat and harness........Franklin did what was necessary to save his country and kick start the greatest experiment ever.........so with that spirit I think and read........but think more than I read
actually this is not entirely true. He did, however, prove that lighting was, in fact, an electrical event, resultant upon his kite flying experiment w/bell jar. He was one of the most influential thinkers of the american revolution. He was also wise enough to stay out of politics as a player, he was an instrument of the colonial government, not an elected official.
I think I'm confused by this thread. I'm not sure if it's going in the direction it's intended, but that's not going to stop me from contributing!
I'm a Ben Franklin fan, not an expert, but a fan. Franklin was raised in the Presbyterian church, but felt, at a young age, that organized religion was not his thing. He left and reserved his Sundays for "studying." Franklin did write that he believes in a "deity"; not necessarily God.
I think people believe that Franklin was puritanical, but he was not. He maintained two separate households -- remaining married to one woman, while living openly with another in France. Franklin was not "separated" from his wife, he simply maintained the two households. Many people in France thought his mistress was his wife, but he corrected them. He had children out of wedlock and saw nothing wrong with that, since many men during his time did the same thing.
Do I think that Ben would agree with me/us today? I think he would believe that our government has become way too involved with our personal lives. I think he would think that our morals are being dictated to us instead of us having the right to live our lives the best way we know how (which varies from person to person). I think he would stress that you do not get a cold from leaving your window open at night or going outside in cold weather with wet hair.
Franklin was, in my opinion, a phenomenal man. He was admired, and despised, by many. He went against the grain. He pushed the limits with his life and with his government.
Franklin stated in his letters, philosophical discussions were to him irksome. He helped establish the USA........may be he should be called an agent......his ...Behavior in France was not Puritanical.........but perhaps not abrbtrary, as some supose. Maybe he was making friends and inflencing people.......I HAVE BEGUN TO READ HIS LETTERS.....as to his heartfelt beliefs......I am agnostic on the subject....like some one who does believe in a God but not a deity.........a scientist believes what he can prove and repeat and harness........Franklin did what was necessary to save his country and kick start the greatest experiment ever.........so with that spirit I think and read........but think more than I read
An................... overabundance................... of ellipses.................... makes........................ baby jesus............... cry...............
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