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Absurd . . . You are suggesting that we select for CELEBRATION the sordid aspects of our past? I swear the PC mindset is irrational.
No. I am saying that when you pick out 90% of the facts of our heritage to celebrate, you aren't celebrating what the heritage really is. You might be celebrating a higher ideal, or celebrating what you want of the heritage. What we celebrate on Thanksgiving is what we want our heritage to be, what we want it to look like but not what the heritage IS . How can we say it is a celebration of heritage when it is almost nothing like our heritage?
No. I am saying that when you pick out 90% of the facts of our heritage to celebrate, you aren't celebrating what the heritage really is. You might be celebrating a higher ideal, or celebrating what you want of the heritage. What we celebrate on Thanksgiving is what we want our heritage to be, what we want it to look like but not what the heritage IS . How can we say it is a celebration of heritage when it is almost nothing like our heritage?
Because celebrations ARE about ideals and promoting attitudes toward the FUTURE . . . NOT opportunities to denigrate our ancestors evils and flaws and b*tch and moan about them.
^^^ Cleatis is not saying we should celebrate it. He's saying we shouldn't sweep it under the rug and pretend like it doesn't exist.
And you are suggesting that the time to do that is when we are celebrating our Holidays??? Do you celebrate your birthday by remembering all the flaws and faults in your life up to that point? Ridiculous!!
And you are suggesting that the time to do that is when we are celebrating our Holidays??? Do you celebrate your birthday by remembering all the flaws and faults in your life up to that point? Ridiculous!!
That's not what I said at all. You can still celebrate the "attitudes towards our future", as you said, without pretending none of the bad stuff happened. No ones saying we should dwell on the bad parts, we just shouldn't completely ignore them either.
Oh forget it.
Have fun with this one, Cleatis lol.
Oh, and, when I celebrate my Birthday I do reflect on both the good and bad. I couldn't grow as a person if I didn't think about both.
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Because celebrations ARE about ideals and promoting attitudes toward the FUTURE . . . NOT opportunities to denigrate our ancestors evils and flaws and b*tch and moan about them.
Then promote an attitude towards the future. Celebrate those great attitudes. That really is a great thing to do. Just don't label it as our heritage when when most of it is edited out. Here again: What we celebrate on Thanksgiving is hardly our heritage. It's almost nothing like our heritage. Why should we say that thanksgiving is our heritage when it clearly isn't? So since we're talking about the future here: Should we start omitting our current events to make it more convenient for the next generation. Should we erase every scrap of pain and anguish that we have dealt with in our lifetimes so that they don't have to be bogged down with it? How are they going to know who we really were?
Remembering and acknowledging the evils of our ancestors is not denigration of them. It's remembering what really happened, it's remembering our history which I would imagine everyone thinks is a good idea. That's how we keep those same evils from happening again. Unless of course you don't want that... How can you promote a good attitude about the future when the ugly parts of the past are omitted? That's a great way to kick off the future - with a lie. You can't edit history and it should never be omitted in favor of a cleaner image. Which is what this really is about isn't it? God forbid American history be anything but nice and shiny apple pie patriotism. Why that might mean there are imperfections in gods favorite country. Pretending this never happened only leads to ignorance and surely you wouldn't promote that.
Then promote an attitude towards the future. Celebrate those great attitudes. That really is a great thing to do. Just don't label it as our heritage when when most of it is edited out. Here again: What we celebrate on Thanksgiving is hardly our heritage. It's almost nothing like our heritage. Why should we say that thanksgiving is our heritage when it clearly isn't? So since we're talking about the future here: Should we start omitting our current events to make it more convenient for the next generation. Should we erase every scrap of pain and anguish that we have dealt with in our lifetimes so that they don't have to be bogged down with it? How are they going to know who we really were?
Remembering and acknowledging the evils of our ancestors is not denigration of them. It's remembering what really happened, it's remembering our history which I would imagine everyone thinks is a good idea. That's how we keep those same evils from happening again. Unless of course you don't want that... How can you promote a good attitude about the future when the ugly parts of the past are omitted? That's a great way to kick off the future - with a lie. You can't edit history and it should never be omitted in favor of a cleaner image. Which is what this really is about isn't it? God forbid American history be anything but nice and shiny apple pie patriotism. Why that might mean there are imperfections in gods favorite country. Pretending this never happened only leads to ignorance and surely you wouldn't promote that.
You clearly have no conception of what a CELEBRATION is as opposed to a HISTORY COURSE designed to educate. PC idiocy at its finest . . . ruin everything to make whatever negative point is deemed necessary to emphasize no matter what the real purpose of the event is. God save us from self-righteous public hypocrites.
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Pretending this never happened only leads to ignorance and surely you wouldn't promote that.
