Man Is Killed, After Trying To Rob Customers In Line For The $180+ Lebron Sneaker in little 5 points. (Atlanta: mortgage, credit card)

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I see. I was thinking that stretch of pavement was the street, but I guess it's just a driveway or extension of the sidewalk.

The point I'm making is that the thief is clearly fleeing the scene and is at least 10-15 feet away when he is shot in the back.

Is that self-defense? What danger is the gunman facing at that point? Notice that the guy next to the shooter is just standing there with his hands in his pockets, in no apparent fear. Also notice that the shooter had to turn around in order to get the thief in his sights.

Would people complain if the shooter was a cop or a security guard or some neighborhood watch guy?

Originally Posted by Strangejelly

No, they wouldn't.

Why let this guy run down the street so he can turn around and shoot someone or shoot someone later? That is silly.

Yes, some would. If the guy is fleeing, then he is no longer posing a threat to the shooter. As far as I know, you can't legally shoot someone who is not posing a current threat. The guy was running away, was he not. That's not a threat.

Would you support the shooter if he decided 5 seconds later instead to start running after the guy then shot him on the next block? If so, why? Just because he took out someone who he determined to be a threat to someone else?

I get the whole "he took out some thug who was a menace to society" line of thinking, but you can't kill everyone you perceive to be a menace, or even if they have been a menace and are now running away. It's no longer self defense if they are running away.

I wonder how many of the people supporting this, support the case in Texas of the guy killing the prostitute who took his money.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

[Strangejelly]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Yes, some would. If the guy is fleeing, then he is no longer posing a threat to the shooter. As far as I know, you can't legally shoot someone who is not posing a current threat. The guy was running away, was he not. That's not a threat.

Would you support the shooter if he decided 5 seconds later instead to start running after the guy then shot him on the next block? If so, why? Just because he took out someone who he determined to be a threat to someone else?

I get the whole "he took out some thug who was a menace to society" line of thinking, but you can't kill everyone you perceive to be a menace, or even if they have been a menace and are now running away. It's no longer self defense if they are running away.

I wonder how many of the people supporting this, support the case in Texas of the guy killing the prostitute who took his money.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

I am not going to defend someone who has the balls to pull a gun out and THREATEN THE LIFE of innocent people. Someone pulls a gun on you with the possible intent to kill you your first though isn't the "law" it's fight or flight. How was the guy who just held up and threatened the lives of all those people not a threat? Do you know what he was about to do? How do you know he wasn't about to turn around and do what HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO and shoot you? How do you know he wasn't running to back up?


The prostitue didn't threaten that Texas guy's life. She wasn't a physical threat.

[Strangejelly]

I don't get the mentality that someone can threaten your life with a gun and then perceivably go in another direction and they are now innocent and not a danger anymore. How often have people ran away just shoot from a distance or hide and take cover?

[Strangejelly]

If decide to start robbing people are gun point I am going to ready to accept the possibility that someone would meet me with the same force.

If I am going to be "about that life" then I need to be ready to die with it.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by Strangejelly

How was the guy who just held up and threatened the lives of all those people not a threat? Do you know what he was about to do? How do you know he wasn't about to turn around and do what HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO and shoot you? How do you know he wasn't running to back up?

Eeeeeeexactly. No one knows what he was going to do. He was running the other direction. He wasn't pointing his gun at anyone anymore, thus not a threat at that time.

I have absolutely no problem with the shooter having his gun pointed at the guy, finger on the trigger, ready to take him out if he makes any move indicating that he planned another attack. But to shoot him in the back while he's running away, nope. I don't have the same "take out the thug" mentality that many do. Sorry about that.

EDIT: At what point would you determine the guy wasn't a threat any more. If the shooter saw the guy on the sidewalk the next day, could he just shoot and kill him knowing that the day before he threatened lives?

Also: don't think that I'm fully supporting the robber guy here.

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by L'Artiste

Like people standing in line for a $200-500 iPhone

Or $80,000 Mercedes!

[JPD]

The dead guy has a rap sheet a mile long:

Fulton County Inmates

Self defense, or not, I can't say, but good riddance regardless.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by westau

I certainly wouldn't complain if the person had already threatened people with a gun no matter who was doing the shooting.

Why do I think there would be a hue and cry if I'd whipped out my weapon and shot this man in the back several times from 15 feet away as he was fleeing the scene?

[joey86]

Originally Posted by JPD

The dead guy has a rap sheet a mile long:

Fulton County Inmates

Self defense, or not, I can't say, but good riddance regardless.

He would still be a threat to society if he was picking flowers. I consider myself a liberal hippie but people like that don't respect our lives. People should shoot these losers more often.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by JPD

The dead guy has a rap sheet a mile long:

Fulton County Inmates

Self defense, or not, I can't say, but good riddance regardless.

Agreed.

It's amazing that people can be arrested a zillion times -- often for violent offenses -- and put right back on the street.