I-75 South Metro Reversible Toll Lanes(Stockbridge, McDonough,Locust Grove, Clayton County)Traffic Improvement or Bust (Atlanta: bus, train)

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by PKCorey

http://www.peachpass.com/uploads/Com...ase_020612.pdf

http://www.peachpass.com/uploads/Com...ase_020612.pdf

Southside is running roughly at half the daily cars vs 85 at the same time.

85's lanes aren't barrier-separated, right? So people can get in or out at will. That probably changes some peoples' actions.

[oobanks]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

85's lanes aren't barrier-separated, right? So people can get in or out at will. That probably changes some peoples' actions.

Big time!!!

[PKCorey]

I-75 South Metro Express Lanes surpass expectations | Spinning our Wheels

SRTA says that the lanes are meeting their goals.

[oobanks]

Originally Posted by PKCorey

I-75 South Metro Express Lanes surpass expectations | Spinning our Wheels

SRTA says that the lanes are meeting their goals.

Looks like the State Road & Tollway Authority is back up and pumping even after the demise of GA 400!!

[cqholt]

GDOT spent how many millions on this project for 7600 unconnected, weekday trips?

SRTA originally projected an average of 6,000 trips per weekday after six months of operating the new lanes. In May motorists averaged 7,600 weekday trips.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by cqholt

GDOT spent how many millions on this project for 7600 unconnected, weekday trips?

The lanes are 12 miles long, so that's 633 riders per mile vs. the streetcar's 923 riders per mile with only 1.3 miles of reach.

Not super surprising give the environments and service extent. Still interesting.

[PKCorey]

https://www.twitter.com/DougTurnbull...54292012400645

South Metro Express Lanes up to $1.15 for a whole trip, first toll change since they opened in January.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

The lanes are 12 miles long, so that's 633 riders per mile vs. the streetcar's 923 riders per mile with only 1.3 miles of reach.

Not super surprising give the environments and service extent. Still interesting.

I just want to point out that the streetcars are intended for local only traffic and are in a MUCH more densly populated area (much more ridership potential) than the HOT lanes. The HOT Lanes are designed only to by-pass congestion on a fairly long distance commute on an congested interstate where you have free alternative lanes if you're willing to wait. They also serve a much less dense area than the street cars do so the two aren't really all that comparable.

Remember guys, when the I-85 HOT lanes first opened they were virtually empty and went into debt as well. It was at first considered a failure but over time they grew popularity. I expect the same will happen with I-75's HOT lanes.. It's way too soon to make a judgement on the project.. it will take atleast another 2 years before they reach their full potential.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I just want to point out that the streetcars are intended for local only traffic and are in a MUCH more densly populated area (much more ridership potential) than the HOT lanes. The HOT Lanes are designed only to by-pass congestion on a fairly long distance commute on an congested interstate where you have free alternative lanes if you're willing to wait. They also serve a much less dense area than the street cars do so the two aren't really all that comparable.

Remember guys, when the I-85 HOT lanes first opened they were virtually empty and went into debt as well. It was at first considered a failure but over time they grew popularity. I expect the same will happen with I-75's HOT lanes.. It's way too soon to make a judgement on the project.. it will take atleast another 2 years before they reach their full potential.

Hate to tell you, but the entire way we funded roads is in debt.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I just want to point out that the streetcars are intended for local only traffic and are in a MUCH more densly populated area (much more ridership potential) than the HOT lanes. The HOT Lanes are designed only to by-pass congestion on a fairly long distance commute on an congested interstate where you have free alternative lanes if you're willing to wait. They also serve a much less dense area than the street cars do so the two aren't really all that comparable.

Remember guys, when the I-85 HOT lanes first opened they were virtually empty and went into debt as well. It was at first considered a failure but over time they grew popularity. I expect the same will happen with I-75's HOT lanes.. It's way too soon to make a judgement on the project.. it will take atleast another 2 years before they reach their full potential.

Oh I'm well aware. I was mostly trying to be facetious about comparing the projects.


I have no issue with HOT lanes, or toll roads. Just when they're used as the singular solution without appropriate alternatives, which I don't particularly consider the current service level of GRTA to be.