Smyrna Police shoot, kill man in Maserati at Goodyear (Atlanta: lawyer, legal)

[Larry X]

Dr. Umar Johnson predicted this. FF to 18mins.

Truth of Barack Obama's Presidency Before His Election Dr. Umar Johnson: https://youtu.be/kVDjpNUn9GY

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Larry X

Dr. Umar Johnson predicted this. FF to 18mins.

Truth of Barack Obama's Presidency Before His Election Dr. Umar Johnson: https://youtu.be/kVDjpNUn9GY

Dr. Johnson raises some important and totally valid points. However, if the cops come to arrest you on a felony probation violation and you jump into a stolen car and start driving around at a high rate of speed, there is a significant risk of violence breaking out, regardless of your ethnicity.

That being said, I'm not at all sure that shooting the driver was the appropriate response from the police. There need to be more facts before this can be evaluated.

[SAAN]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Dr. Johnson raises some important and totally valid points. However, if the cops come to arrest you on a felony probation violation and you jump into a stolen car and start driving around at a high rate of speed, there is a significant risk of violence breaking out, regardless of your ethnicity.

That being said, I'm not at all sure that shooting the driver was the appropriate response from the police. There need to be more facts before this can be evaluated.

We should know by now, especially being black, that if a cop has guns drawn and you're in a car and continue to come at them, they will shoot you. Might not be right, but it is what it is and they will be justified every time.

[jeoff]

Originally Posted by SAAN

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As for the kid with the toy gun, people need to ask them self if they were the police and you see someone with a gun, are you going to trying to analyze for 30 seconds if it is real, when it takes seconds to be shot if it is real and cops are shot at and killed by people with real guns all the time.



Maybe a lesson many can take is :
A DEAD MAN CANT TELL HIS STORY IN COURT. Sometimes you need to just comply with the cops and try to work it out afterwards, where atleast your side of the story can be heard. I know the justice system is extremely screwed up and punishes blacks much harsher than others for the same crimes, but atleast you are alive to tell your side of the story. (Darren Wilson vs Mike Brown is an example)

The 911 call for the 12y/o that got shot---
"A man who called 911 told dispatchers before police arrived that the boy was on a swing set and pointing a pistol that was “probably fake” and scaring everyone. The caller said the boy was pulling the gun in and out of his pants. “I don’t know if it’s real or not,” the caller said."

If you go into that situation with that information, and you end up killing a kid with a toy, you screwed up. You have to have a better plan with a 12 year old on a swing set than--"if it looks like a gun, shoot him."

[SAAN]

Originally Posted by jeoff

The 911 call for the 12y/o that got shot---
"A man who called 911 told dispatchers before police arrived that the boy was on a swing set and pointing a pistol that was “probably fake” and scaring everyone. The caller said the boy was pulling the gun in and out of his pants. “I don’t know if it’s real or not,” the caller said."

If you go into that situation with that information, and you end up killing a kid with a toy, you screwed up. You have to have a better plan with a 12 year old on a swing set than--"if it looks like a gun, shoot him."

This is the 1st time im hearing this part: "a pistol that was “probably fake” and scaring everyone. The caller said the boy was pulling the gun in and out of his pants. “I don’t know if it’s real or not,”"

Now knowing that and having that info, yes the cop should have approached that very different than just pull up and shoot since a 12yr old with bad intentions will generally not be just playing on a swing set.

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by SAAN

This is the 1st time im hearing this part: "a pistol that was “probably fake” and scaring everyone. The caller said the boy was pulling the gun in and out of his pants. “I don’t know if it’s real or not,”"

Now knowing that and having that info, yes the cop should have approached that very different than just pull up and shoot since a 12yr old with bad intentions will generally not be just playing on a swing set.

The cops dispatched to the scene were never given this extremely important information that was called into 911. The cop that shot the kid was a reject from a Cleveland suburb that should have never been hired by the CPD.

The Cleveland PD is a total disaster at this point in time, and they are under Federal oversight.

[onemanarmy]

Originally Posted by SAAN

This is the 1st time im hearing this part: "a pistol that was “probably fake” and scaring everyone. The caller said the boy was pulling the gun in and out of his pants. “I don’t know if it’s real or not,”"

Now knowing that and having that info, yes the cop should have approached that very different than just pull up and shoot since a 12yr old with bad intentions will generally not be just playing on a swing set.

You did not need that information. The video clearly shows the cops driving though the park grass, within 10 feet of the kid on a swing. This is a clear case of the cops putting themselves in danger, if the person was actually trying to shoot the cops they would have been dead before they exited the vehicle.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by SAAN

We should know by now, especially being black, that if a cop has guns drawn and you're in a car and continue to come at them, they will shoot you. Might not be right, but it is what it is and they will be justified every time.

They are not automatically justified, regardless of whether the shootee was black, white or whatever.

However, if you're a felony probation violator (especially if you've got a prior for intentionally driving a vehicle at an officer) and you are driving a stolen car erratically and at a high rate of speed in the immediate vicinity of the cops, they may wind up getting the benefit of the doubt.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by bu2

Police tend to like having authority just by the nature of the people who take that job. So you shouldn't challenge them.

Also, that authority is sometimes what keeps them from getting killed. So you shouldn't challenge them.

Translation: Flaunting the authority of a police officer is grounds for summary execution.*

* - If you're a black or brown male.

Too often you hear about incidents where Black people (like that Harvard professor who got arrested for appearing to break into his own house) get in bad situations because they violate that key rule. They've got that chip on their shoulder and challenge the policeman instead of saying "yes, sir" or "Sir, I don't agree," like most people do. They see racism when its just them ticking off the police officer doing his job.

Do not assume that you know what racism is unless you are a target of it.

Originally Posted by DONNIEANDDONNA417

so what about the black guy that was running around naked in an apartment complex and not to mention unarmed...was that justified?...another unnecessary lost of life. I guess the police are now trained to shoot first and ask questions later.

Police officer shoots, kills unarmed, naked man in DeKalb County | www.wsbtv.com

Exactly. If Anthony Hill really were an imminent danger to the policeman's life--and considering that he was naked, that's a hard sell for me--the officer should have used a taser, slapped the cuffs on him, and hauled him off to jail. Had the officer done this, this story would have never made it past the local news. But instead, the officer chose to escalate the situation to that of lethal force where it was not necessary.

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

Translation: Flaunting the authority of a police officer is grounds for summary execution.*

* - If you're a black or brown male.

No asterisk necessary:

Salt Lake cop cleared in shooting of unarmed white man | WREG.com

San Francisco Police Shooting: White Man Shot And Killed After Charging At Officers With Air Gun

Armed man fatally shot by police during St. Paul standoff - TwinCities.com

And you don't just have to be a male either:

17 Year-Old-Girl Shot Dead By Three Cops At Police Station

Two Denver Police Officers Fatally Shoot 16-Year-Old Girl | ThinkProgress


Now do I agree with summary execution? No. But as I said before....as long as the Constitution ensures a right for all citizens to bear arms, police will also bear arms.

And there will be shootings.

Best advice, when you get hemmed up, don't escalate the situation for yourself.